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very oddy. look at how many jumps the ps3 firmware has made.
1.10 -> 1.11 -> 1.30 -> 1.31 -> 1.32 -> 1.50 -> 1.51 -> 1.54 -> 1.60 -> 1.70 -> 1.80 -> 1.81 -> 1.82 -> 1.90 -> 1.92 -> 1.93 -> 1.94 ->2.0 -> 2.01 -> 2.10 -> 2.17 -> 2.20 -> 2.30 -> 2.35 -> 2.36 ->2.40 -> 2.41 -> 2.42 -> 2.43 -> 2.50 -> 2.51 -> 2.52 -> 2.43 -> 2.60 -> 2.70 -> 2.76 -> 2.80 -> 2.90 -> 3.00 -> 3.01 ->3.10 -> 3.15

arent april fools jokes supposed to be joked on april fools?

notice a trend they have never skipped an even firmware update!



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

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It's very simple:

Tux is a penguin. Penguins are black and white.

Barack Obama is the president. He is also black and white.

Everyone who opposes Barack Obama is a racist.

Therefore, everyone who opposes Tux is a racist.

Sony is a racist confirmed.



arsenicazure said:
what SONY just did seems to be a very MS like move...

Doesnt this affect FOLDING@home? And what the hell is up with SONY removing features as time moves on.. Media slots, Hardware PSone/2BC, software PS2/one BC and now the "other OS" feature. I can understand them removing this features from the SLIM's from the word go.. but to go on an onslaught against the "phats" is just plain stupid.

You dont wanna piss of hardcore gamers/hackers SONY.. you dont..

Real BAD PR move here..

Someone who obviously have no clue what's going on.

FOLDING@HOME???????

The extra features were taken out from the Slim model to cut costs, and the benefit of that move is directly translated down to the consumer. You get (more than) what you pay for. (every unit is sold at a loss)

The 60gb launch model still retains all its features except for the option to install Other OS. Techinically speaking, you are still able to use the feature but at the cost of removed access from the free PSN service - which is a priviledge, as stated by the TOS.

This issue is way overblown. A vast majority of ps3 users don't use this feature AT ALL. As for the 1~2% of the install base that are affected, it's very likely that a substantial % of them are used as server farms or for research purposes. Last i check, NO ONE buy games for dedicated servers.

This is an obvious move in response to that attention-whore. Sony has seen what piracy did to the PSP, there's no way they will sit on their balls waiting for the full exploit to be released. It's much wiser to nip the problem at its bud than to play catch up with the hackers(as shown by the PSP).



Anyone want to bet they just made a huge mistake with this? Geohot will be rolling out his own custom firmwares, so if anything the number of hacked PS3's will be even higher.

Note, it's much easier to break a system than to make it secure. The more you try to piss off the people that want to break it the more fucked you are. This goes for any technology.



So everyone who is calling anyone complaining out names just answer one simple question. Did Sony lie? Once you've all said yes we can close the thread.



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Damnyouall said:
MakoInfused said:
its only common sense that they close the door.

No it isn't. Removing Linux won't stop any hacks. It takes away a feature from those who paid for it.

You yourself mentioned it being a "tool" or a "door" that some geonerd made. Maybe it's not the only way to hack, but it's the easiest...and i'm sure that once someone hacks it, steps on a "How to" will be storming google, and it will be PSP all over again...so i repeat : It's only common sense from sony to take steps against piracy.

 



MakoInfused said:
Damnyouall said:
MakoInfused said:
its only common sense that they close the door.

No it isn't. Removing Linux won't stop any hacks. It takes away a feature from those who paid for it.

You yourself mentioned it being a "tool" or a "door" that some geonerd made. Maybe it's not the only way to hack, but it's the easiest...and i'm sure that once someone hacks it, steps on a "How to" will be storming google, and it will be PSP all over again...so i repeat : It's only common sense from sony to take steps against piracy.

 

You do realize that the guy who did it is also going to address this issue. It has always been that a Company vs Small Group/Individual the individual or small group always win when it comes to security. Always.



MakoInfused said:
Damnyouall said:
MakoInfused said:
its only common sense that they close the door.

No it isn't. Removing Linux won't stop any hacks. It takes away a feature from those who paid for it.

You yourself mentioned it being a "tool" or a "door" that some geonerd made. Maybe it's not the only way to hack, but it's the easiest...and i'm sure that once someone hacks it, steps on a "How to" will be storming google, and it will be PSP all over again...so i repeat : It's only common sense from sony to take steps against piracy.

 

As I said earlier in the thread, this will not stop any future hack through Other OS!  Assuming the system is eventually fully hacked (thats a pretty huge IF given the state of the PS3 scene) lets assume they build custom firmware that allows you to still maintain Other OS functionality while still having the ability to pirate games (at the expense of PSN).  All anyone has to do to get their PS3 back to a exploitable revision with a fat is to put a new HDD (or blank your existing HDD) and when it asks you to insert a update disk to rebuild you put a old update prior to them removing the feature.  Voila you then perform whatever hack is necessary and put your custom firmware in and you're off.

This update is highly unlikely to stop anything and more to the point there is NOTHING to stop.  The people that will be doing these hacks will not be affected by this in the slightest by the way so this is only punishing general consumers.  The only thing this will encourage is the likes of Geohot to go on a crusade now to properly hack their system, its madness.

 



NJ5 said:
Icyedge said:
NJ5 said:

What do you expect from a company which thought it was fine to "own" their customer's PCs by including a rootkit trojan in their music CDs?

Regardless of how awesome or not Sony's products are, no one can deny that they're pretty low in customer treatment and respect. Hopefully this episode will get more people to realize that.

 

You think its the company that decided to include a rootkit trojan deliberately? Where are your sources? If true, it also could be an angry employee or an error.

It was a big scandal a while ago, and yes Sony confirmed that they did it on purpose as an extreme form of DRM. In fact they later issued a "trojan removal" program which installed a few more nasty things in itself.

You can read all about it here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_CD_copy_protection_scandal

 

Great, thx!



slowmo said:
So everyone who is calling anyone complaining out names just answer one simple question. Did Sony lie? Once you've all said yes we can close the thread.

Im willing to say yes to  "Did an employee from Sony lied?" he probably had no clue at all actually. Can you point me to the official statement from Sony they would never remove the "other OS" function, I didnt read it yet. The claim of a claim by a PS3 linux maintainer on a forum should been treated as a rumor to begin with (look for whats underline):

> On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 09:58 -0700, geoffrey.levand at am.sony.com wrote:
>> The feature of “Install Other OS” was removed from the new
>> “Slim” PS3 model to focus on delivering games and other
>> entertainment content.
>>
>> Please be assured that SCE is committed to continue
>> the support for previously sold models that have the
>> “Install Other OS” feature and that this feature will
>> not be disabled in future firmware

releases.
>
> Although it’s disappointing that Sony have removed the feature from new
> models, It’s good to have this public assurance from Sony that at least
> the feature won’t be removed from older models which are already
> working.

Please understand that in my position as PS3-Linux maintainer
I can really only provide users with technical support for
Linux and the LV1 hcall interface.

The text above was provided to me by SCE management. If
you have any questions regarding it or any other feature
of the PS3 please contact the Playstation Customer Support
in your country.
Using Playstation Customer Support will
insure your inquiry is processed through the correct
channels within SCE.

-Geoff

The guy is actually a PS3-Linux maintainer claiming that he got this confirmation from SCE. Adding that, "I can really only provide users with technical support for Linux and the LV1 hcall interface". Even him says to not take his words seriously lol. Its not his job to officially announce anything from Sony, hence should be taken as a rumor. Since when are we using technician post on a forum as a official claim from Sony?

Please note that I dont agree with Sony in removing "'other OS". I also find it borderline illegual because when you purchase a PS3 they greatly encourage you to subscribe to PSN to enjoy the whole experience. But now they simply say: "If you wanna keep it forget PSN." They shouldnt have removed the "Other OS" function. When they sold fat PS3, they advertise PSN and "other OS" as PS3 inherent features. Im only taking the time to post this because what your trying to prove "Sony are lyers" is pure fanboyism and will not get us anywhere. I cant even understand why someone started a thread named "Sonys blatant lies" and then use the claim of a claim of a technician on a forum to justify his attack. And yes, this thread should be close. A long time ago actually...