You still aren't getting it and clearly no one else is. By buying the wii, these people have shown they don't care about hardware whatsoever. What does a next gen console do? Improve hardware. How can Nintendo sell a console to these people who don't want better graphics or better controls?

Unless they delve into VR, the Wii market is just that, a market for the Wii and nothing more.

Better engrish please.
And please read what you type. You said they don't care about what's in the box, but they care about what they will get in the box. Contradiction, no?

Fact is Nintendo have stated the wii does not do hardcore games. Wii gamers do not care about graphics or better AI etc as the wii is by far the weakest console of the three and not the cheapest. Therefore why would these people buy a next gen console if they do not care about better graphics, a more responsive pad, HD etc?

No, I think you clearly did not understand my point. Consumers are not super rational beings who hold the exact same values for long periods of times. Looking outside of the videogame market, the early iPods faced competition from multi-media players (devices that played videos and not just music) and PDAs (which provided videos, applications and MP3s) and people saw no value in these features; when Apple started providing multimedia functionality with the iPod, and then incorporated PDA functionality with the iPod Touch/iPhone, suddenly these features became massively important to the public. Part of the reason for the change in opinions is in how Apple delivered these features, another part is that people’s exposure to an earlier iPod demonstrated the value of these features, and part of it is just that the timing of Apple’s focus on these features was better for external reasons.

Using higher resolution screen output to enable 6 player split-screen Mario-Kart may be a more meaningful way of showing the importance of higher resolution output than better looking games in a single-player or online videogame for many customers; for some social gamers this could be the killer feature to sell a console and, while it would be possible on the PS3 or XBox 360, Sony and Microsoft (for the most part) have not seen value in offering games with more than 2 player split-screen. Gamers may not care about shiny and bumpy space-marine armour at high resolutions, but they might see value in high resolution output.

On top of this, we’re now in the middle of 2010 and only about half of all households have HDTVs. The value of pushing HD graphics to an individual who doesn’t own a HDTV, doesn’t have a high quality source of HD signals yet (no HD Cable or Blu-Ray player), or has not become accustomed to HD visuals is fairly minimal. From what I have seen of most of my friends, it usually takes at least 18 months of steady exposure to HD video before they become HD snobs; and if HD growth continues at its steady pace, a large portion (potentially most) consumers in the next generation will demand better visuals.

Finally there is the exposure factor. Many people probably own a Wii, enjoy playing it, and still look at the visuals from HD console games with envy. While they might not be willing to spend $300 on a HD console set-up to get these visuals when they have a Wii and it suits their current gaming needs, a new generation of consoles might be the reason they need to upgrade to more advanced visuals; especially if it comes with other enhancements.

Basically, your argument could have been used to claim that there was no reason for people to upgrade from a NES to a SNES, Gameboy to a GBA, GBA to a Nintendo DS, Playstation to a PS2, or PS2 to a PS3 because people demonstrated their lack of interest in graphics by buying these systems rather than their more advanced competition.

Actually Zelda 3D mario and metrid aren't a strong lineup, they won't move hardware, Wii vitality will, so we don't know if Wii's lineup in 2011 will be weak, in fact it could be stronger than 2010's, and even if it is weak, it'll just herald a new console in 2012, which many are expecting.

And the N64 sold poorly, so what's your point?  Look at Mario 64 sales, compare to Mario 1, Mario 3, Mario world, NSMB for DS and Wii, tell me which sold better.  No CD and third parties is what people think made them do worse, but Wii is lacking in third party support and has older tech itself, and is crushing the PS3, and 360, so your argument fails

Actually Christensen can, he's the guy who came up with the strategy that Nintendo is following.  And he knows what MOVE and NATAL are and as a result can state that MOVE will fail

the answer is very simple, by putting games on this new system that people want. if people see a new system with lots of games that they want to play, and they think it's a good value, they will buy it. why can't you understand this? yes this new system might have games that could be done on the original wii, but if these games aren't on the wii, it doesn't matter. nintendo will eventually stop making new games for the current wii, and the customers will realize they will have to upgrade if they want more fun games.

lets look at it this way. when these people look at a new console, they won't be thinking "oh boy, the graphics will kick ass!" or "faster controls, YAY!". they will be thinking "what new fun games are on here for me to play?"

Granted consumer taste does change, but a big issue with the ipod etc back in the early days was compatibility, something which has been ironed out, and with the iphone having a touch screen etc it is affordable and easier to use than it's predecessors.

HD being in 50% of all homes is outstanding considering not all homes will have a television. People who own a wii however do not care about HD because they own a wii - not a HD console. It's like someone who just owns a gameboy. They care about portablt gaming, not console gaming.

Your final point is just wrong. The difference with the NES, GBA, PS1 etc are that the people who owned them were gamers - people who found an intrinsic value in game features such as graphics, level design and so on. The graphical leap from the ps1 to ps2 and to the ps3 are huge. Anyone who wanted bigger games which looked better, better AI and essentially are the product of better hardware would buy the next gen console. The graphics and hardware of the wii is so dated that it isn't a slight difference in power (eg xbox and ps2), but a giant chasm between what the wii is capable of and the 360 and PS3.

These people are happy with BAD graphics, a laggy pad and medicore quality games. Why would they pay more money to have a better exeperience when they are happy with medicority? They bought the wii for simple fun, not hardcore titles, meaning that they will probably be on the same games for years to come as they do not care about graphics. This is where Nintendo have found an unsustainable market and is the flaw of selling something on a gimmick.

Mazty, mainstream gamers still buy games. They're going to follow games like everyone else, even if the values they pursue in games are different.

If theese gamers that played ps2 were concerned with the best graphics they would have bough Gamecube or xbox instead and the wii´s capabilities are well beyond both the xbox and Gamecube.

This shows us that the mainstream gamer is interested in graphical leaps but not as big as the 360 or PS3 and not at the expence of gameplay.

When Nintendo releases their next console they will have to make a graphical leap that is big enough for them to care but not so big they don´t care and see to it that the gameplay inovations continue in the aspect of gameplay thats were hdconsoles have failed the greatest this gen and the graphical leap was to big for the mainstream gamer to care.

Geez!

place is a mess.Who replied to me?
just to remind some people I was saying Ninty made the first move here.

happy squirell hit it on the head. im a wii owner but yet i love pretty graphics and such but what alot of people are not getting at on here is why pay for the ps3 or 360 when you can spend the same amount of money on a pc and it will last 5-7 years then you can upgrade some components and still be compatible with alot of current games. which i have street fighter 4 for the pc and i play against  360 owners. the market for wii is unique because it does what no one else did. took existing graphics and added a control to do everything more physically then the other two systems. also these same people look at the ps3 and 360 and see buttons. i know there for awhile while i had my gamecube i was like ok what button do i press to run what button do i press to punch what button do i press to jump etc etc. now instead of saying what button to press to punch you just punch. bowling was all controled by sticks and not actualy bowling. now with it you can do all that. this is why i still think if you add better graphics and such kinda like the snes did with the nes it will be successful no one cared if the ps3 played blue ray and that showed. now i went out and got a vizio blue ray player for 128 dollars and guess what why pay 300 for something you dont need that is why the ps3 isnt selling to the same group of people as the ps2 did. no one sees it as a necessity. same wiht the 360.  so i still say the wii will just get upgraded to allow hdmi support in the next few years because of integration from rca jacks to hdmi. also anyone ever watch a normal movie on blue ray player? it look as good as a blue ray movie. that is why blue ray movies them selves are not selling so well and regular dvd's are still selling like hotcakes. the next few years i see blue ray players themselves selling and i can see along with hdmi support blue ray support as well for wii. the tech itself will be about the same.