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5 reasons why FFXIII is the best in the series. Agree or disagree?

Yes, Agreed. 77 13.68%
 
No, Not exactly. 385 68.38%
 
It's FF, I love it regardless! 97 17.23%
 
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LokeSTL said:

5)  Battle system is okay.  Only problem I have with it is that they stuck it in a the main FF series.  The battle system in the series has always "evolved", but never away from the turn-based menu system.  It's like swapping out someones soul, it just doesn't go there.  While it may be "inventive", I can't agree that it is anything close to "the most satisfying" in the series.  IMO, it is the least satisfying.

4) Towns and overhead maps are another FF staple.  Taking things out of FF that make them FF makes the new FF less FF.  Get that?

3) What's the hurry?  People that still like JRPGs don't mind waiting for the next tidbit.  That's what playing these games is about.  Get a little story, adventure, find clues, fight through the next goal, then more story.

2) The character developement in XIII is so formulaic(?) that it's almost sickening.  It's like they got a soap writer to list the 6 major conflicts and just went with it.  None of their conflicts naturally tie into the story.  It feels very cut-and-pasted.

1) Multi-plat only makes it a "reason to be the best in the series" to people on the other plat. 

 

Sounds like you are another gamer that wants to consider themself a JRPG fan, but doesn't like JRPGs anymore.  If you don't like all of these things, why not move on to a different genre instead of cheering when the one we love is dying?  If you wouldn't go back and play FFIII or FFVIII or any of the previous FF now, why would you buy a new one in the series?  For all of the things you mentioned, it sounds like Heavy Rain or some other action/adventure game would be more 'your kind of thing'.

I totally agree, this has been kinda of an issue for me since FFX. I loved the world maps and the exploration that they gave of pre-FFX games, so it's like a bag of mixed emotions any time I see a new FF without them. 

Thankfully, from what Nomura said, FFVXIII will have them back, but let's wait and see. 



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lestatdark said:
LokeSTL said:

5)  Battle system is okay.  Only problem I have with it is that they stuck it in a the main FF series.  The battle system in the series has always "evolved", but never away from the turn-based menu system.  It's like swapping out someones soul, it just doesn't go there.  While it may be "inventive", I can't agree that it is anything close to "the most satisfying" in the series.  IMO, it is the least satisfying.

4) Towns and overhead maps are another FF staple.  Taking things out of FF that make them FF makes the new FF less FF.  Get that?

3) What's the hurry?  People that still like JRPGs don't mind waiting for the next tidbit.  That's what playing these games is about.  Get a little story, adventure, find clues, fight through the next goal, then more story.

2) The character developement in XIII is so formulaic(?) that it's almost sickening.  It's like they got a soap writer to list the 6 major conflicts and just went with it.  None of their conflicts naturally tie into the story.  It feels very cut-and-pasted.

1) Multi-plat only makes it a "reason to be the best in the series" to people on the other plat. 

 

Sounds like you are another gamer that wants to consider themself a JRPG fan, but doesn't like JRPGs anymore.  If you don't like all of these things, why not move on to a different genre instead of cheering when the one we love is dying?  If you wouldn't go back and play FFIII or FFVIII or any of the previous FF now, why would you buy a new one in the series?  For all of the things you mentioned, it sounds like Heavy Rain or some other action/adventure game would be more 'your kind of thing'.

I totally agree, this has been kinda of an issue for me since FFX. I loved the world maps and the exploration that they gave of pre-FFX games, so it's like a bag of mixed emotions any time I see a new FF without them. 

Thankfully, from what Nomura said, FFVXIII will have them back, but let's wait and see. 

I really wish that I could look forward to Versus, but I just can't.  I go to FF for the turn-based, menu driven combat.  They could make FFVII with life-like graphics, but if it doesn't have the traditional combat system it would turn me off.  I currently have Versus on pre-order, but battle with myself often on whether to cancel it.  Don't know if I want to support the series fast and furious descent toward an adventure genre(or WRPG).  Starting to get more excited about DQ games since they stay true to the battle system....



LokeSTL said:
lestatdark said:
LokeSTL said:

5)  Battle system is okay.  Only problem I have with it is that they stuck it in a the main FF series.  The battle system in the series has always "evolved", but never away from the turn-based menu system.  It's like swapping out someones soul, it just doesn't go there.  While it may be "inventive", I can't agree that it is anything close to "the most satisfying" in the series.  IMO, it is the least satisfying.

4) Towns and overhead maps are another FF staple.  Taking things out of FF that make them FF makes the new FF less FF.  Get that?

3) What's the hurry?  People that still like JRPGs don't mind waiting for the next tidbit.  That's what playing these games is about.  Get a little story, adventure, find clues, fight through the next goal, then more story.

2) The character developement in XIII is so formulaic(?) that it's almost sickening.  It's like they got a soap writer to list the 6 major conflicts and just went with it.  None of their conflicts naturally tie into the story.  It feels very cut-and-pasted.

1) Multi-plat only makes it a "reason to be the best in the series" to people on the other plat. 

 

Sounds like you are another gamer that wants to consider themself a JRPG fan, but doesn't like JRPGs anymore.  If you don't like all of these things, why not move on to a different genre instead of cheering when the one we love is dying?  If you wouldn't go back and play FFIII or FFVIII or any of the previous FF now, why would you buy a new one in the series?  For all of the things you mentioned, it sounds like Heavy Rain or some other action/adventure game would be more 'your kind of thing'.

I totally agree, this has been kinda of an issue for me since FFX. I loved the world maps and the exploration that they gave of pre-FFX games, so it's like a bag of mixed emotions any time I see a new FF without them. 

Thankfully, from what Nomura said, FFVXIII will have them back, but let's wait and see. 

I really wish that I could look forward to Versus, but I just can't.  I go to FF for the turn-based, menu driven combat.  They could make FFVII with life-like graphics, but if it doesn't have the traditional combat system it would turn me off.  I currently have Versus on pre-order, but battle with myself often on whether to cancel it.  Don't know if I want to support the series fast and furious descent toward an adventure genre(or WRPG).  Starting to get more excited about DQ games since they stay true to the battle system....

Well, overall DQ has been the better series, at least for me. Not only they stayed true to their origin, each new main DQ game has such a magnificent story, that's pretty difficult to rival (Albeit for DQ 8, which had a bit of a weak story :/).

Since FFVXIII isn't supposed to be part of the main numbered line, but rather part of a compilation similar to the FFVII compilation, I guess that's why they're starting to explore a different approach to the series. I don't think that the battle system itself will go too much into a WRPG genre, but rather to a more Kingdom Hearts like approach, since supposedly that's what's Nomura aiming for. 



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To say that FFXIII is the best in the series is the same as completely forget all the wonderful and unique elements of the other games of the series that made the name "Final Fantasy" what it is today. The same elements that have been completely ignored in the design of XIII in favor of graphics.



lol no, but there are 50 reasons why it's the worst FF game.



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shinyuhadouken said:
lol no, but there are 50 reasons why it's the worst FF game.

Worst FF, really? Worst than the worse-than-generic-JRPG NES FFIII which almost lead to the ruin of the entire series?

Actually, the original FFs were not much to look at, maybe with the exception of FFII and it's unique (for the time) system in JRPGs, which was learn-by-doing for pretty much everything. There was no level up, you only raised your stats, magic and weapon levels for how much you used them. 

I've seen a lot of people throwing around the claim that FFXIII is the worst FF, but most of the times it comes from people who either played the post-NES or Post FFVII FFs 



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shinyuhadouken said:
lol no, but there are 50 reasons why it's the worst FF game.

And 100 for why its the best FF

so 100 divided by 50 = 2

so its the 2nd best FF.



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Final_Fan_ said:

5. It's ok, but it doesn't bring anything unseen to the genre. It's worse than in FF XII, VII, X, and X-2. Not to mention JRPGs other than Final Fantasies.

4. JRPGs are by standard very far from your Dungeons & Dragons, real RPGs. To put it simply, JRPGs are not RPGs. Even if the characters or their equipment gather levels it doesn't make the game an RPG. Nor do world maps, towns, random NPCs, or quests. FF XIII is an action game disguised as a JRPG. It's one of the most simplistic JRPGs ever, in a way, the culmination of JRPGs.

3. I beat Final Fantasy XIII and I'm still waiting for a story.

2. Sazh is the only likable character in FF XIII. He is actually one of the best FF characters. I just wished Vanille and Hope were cut from the final build. I mean geez, when FF X came out I thought Tidus was the most annoying FF character eva, then came Vaan but FF XIII took the cake with not just Hope but also Vanille. I'm a grown man, I've played games all my life and I've been a Final Fantasy fan ever since FF VII was released in Europe, and I don't want to look at a preteen crying over his dead mother. Come on Squenix, you came up with Sazh and then gave us Hope. As Kratos himself, slayer of gods, put it "Hope is for the weak."

1. This point has nothing to do with Final Fantasy XIII being the best in the series. There is a reason why Final Fantasy X-2 has a higher metascore than Final Fantasy XIII, it's simply a better game.

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/finalfantasyx2?q=final%20fantasy%20x-2


http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps3/finalfantasy13


LOL, you must be young.  Originally the term "RPG" in video games was used to describe games with a turn-based menu driven battle system.  Why?  Because of their similarity in mechanics to RPG board games.  After years of the term being use this way, a D&D licensed video game was made.  They decided to use an action system instead of a turn-based system.  That is when the confusion began.  Since D&D the video game was on the PC, they started calling it and similar games "Computer RPGs" and the traditional ones "Console RPGs" since the better known titles of that time were on arcade consoles.  Once these "Computer RPGs" started showing up on consoles it became more confusing.  Since "Computer RPGs" were dominantly made in the western countries (U.S. and Canada), gamers started refering to them as "WRPGs".  Since the traditional turn-based video games were being developed mostly in Japan they were refered to as JRPGs.

So JRPG = Console RPG = traditional RPG = more like RPG board/dice games = "real RPGs".

Also WRPG = Computer RPG = adventure games like the one titled D&D = "faux RPG".



lestatdark said:
shinyuhadouken said:
lol no, but there are 50 reasons why it's the worst FF game.

Worst FF, really? Worst than the worse-than-generic-JRPG NES FFIII which almost lead to the ruin of the entire series?

Actually, the original FFs were not much to look at, maybe with the exception of FFII and it's unique (for the time) system in JRPGs, which was learn-by-doing for pretty much everything. There was no level up, you only raised your stats, magic and weapon levels for how much you used them. 

I've seen a lot of people throwing around the claim that FFXIII is the worst FF, but most of the times it comes from people who either played the post-NES or Post FFVII FFs 

I've played FF 1,2,4,7,8,9,10, 10-2, 11,12, FF Mystic Quest, FF Tactics..i think that's about it. FF13 is the worst out of the games I've listed imo.



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shinyuhadouken said:
lestatdark said:
shinyuhadouken said:
lol no, but there are 50 reasons why it's the worst FF game.

Worst FF, really? Worst than the worse-than-generic-JRPG NES FFIII which almost lead to the ruin of the entire series?

Actually, the original FFs were not much to look at, maybe with the exception of FFII and it's unique (for the time) system in JRPGs, which was learn-by-doing for pretty much everything. There was no level up, you only raised your stats, magic and weapon levels for how much you used them. 

I've seen a lot of people throwing around the claim that FFXIII is the worst FF, but most of the times it comes from people who either played the post-NES or Post FFVII FFs 

I've played FF 1,2,4,7,8,9,10, 10-2, 11,12, FF Mystic Quest, FF Tactics..i think that's about it. FF13 is the worst out of the games I've listed imo.

Ok then, it comes down to personal opinion. When I said that FFIII was the worst, it was because at that time, Dragon Quest IV was regarded as the much better JRPG and FF was loosing weight as it's alternative. Oddly enough, famitsu voters nowadays still voted it the eight best video game of all time. 

I agree that it's a bit too much to call FFXIII the best FF ever, since it's far, far from it. But it's also far from the worst. Sure it tries many new things and it's very derivative, sometimes a bit too much, being that FF itself is derivative from main entry to main entry. But there's quality in the game and there are moments in which the same old FF feeling hits you while at the same time, the new feelings are also well implemented.

Anyway, let's not argue anymore, it's just a matter of personal opinion ;) 



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