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LOL some of the comments you guys make...seriously you will look for any opportunity to rip on Microsoft.

Just because he mentions a "reseracher thinking about the next version" you all are going all out trashing Microsoft on putting all of it's eggs in one basket.

Please. His one comment doesn't refer anything more than a philosophical approach to keeping up with cutting edge technology.

Sigh....



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nightsurge said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
famousringo said:
Yeah, it makes sense to keep your engineers working, but don't undermine your product by telling potential customers that it's going to be obsolete soon. What a rookie mistake.

^THis. It's like saying don't buy Natal 1.0 yet cuz 2.0 is in the works lol Horrible PR

Well you all fail because that's not what they are saying.

  • THEY ARE NOT WORKING ON NATAL 2 YET, THEY ARE RESEARCHING
  • ALL HARDWARE COMPANIES ADMIT THIS (THAT THEY ARE WORKING ON THE NEXT ITERATION AS OF OR EVEN BEFORE RELEASING THE CURRENT GENERATION) BOTH SONY AND MS HAVE SAID THINGS ALONG THESE LINES IN REGARDS TO FUTURE PLATFORMS.
  • FORZA 3 WAS NEITHER RUSHED NOR DID IT HAVE ANY PROBLEMS

Another 360 thread bites the dust thanks to rampant Sony fanboyism on VGChartz!

And no mod in sight once again



jneul said:
slowmo said:
Severance said:
i'm not against researching at all , but why not implement the new technology on the first natal ? since its not finished yet why not?
that only means that they want people to buy both versions, i'd understand if Nintendo did it , Wii mote was good, then after a couple of years Wii Motion plus, that upgrades one what the consumer already have.

If you keep delaying to add new extras you end up like GT5 stuck in perpetual development.  Sometimes its better to get a product to the customer and see what they ACTUALLY think in the wild then refine your next version.  All the testing in the world doesn't mean anything until it reaches customers in real world terms.

Would I have rather waited an extra year to play the drums on Rock Band while they added cymbal support, nope.  Would I like to have waited 2 years for motion plus on the Wii, nope.  In fact would I rather have waited for any hardware peripheral I've bought this generation, nope. 

 

oh we all know what happens when you rush a product, GT5 may be taking forever, but it will be nothing short of a masterpiece when it finally arrives, you only have to look at Forza 3 for an example of how nothing good comes from rushing products, this includes games and it especially includes hardware.

Finally the engine they have developed for GT5 will be reused, we all remember that right, the next GT on PS will take alot less time to develop.

 

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbox360/forzamotorsport3

Take your pick but the overall status of universally acclaimed is pretty clear the game is anything but "nothing good", it would seem you know very little about Forza 3 other than what you read from GT fanboys.  Natal isn't being rushed in the slightest, its just they haven't needed to show their big guns unlike Sony who had to release some Move news after the cringe worthy unveiling last year at E3 which was obvious to everyone they were lying about how far in dvelopment it was (Spring 2010, I think not).  Natal is cruising in low gear with the hype and interest they generated, even after GDC the hype level for MOve outside of gaming internet forums is at absolute zero.

Finally we have no idea how long this generation is going to last and if they don't get GT5 out this year then you can pretty much say goodbye to GT6 appearing on the PS3.  That is of course unless you want GT6 to just be milking sales from the franchise.

 

@severance - We have no idea what they're researching, it could be more software than hardware in terms of features.  It could be integration of Natal processing hardware in the next generation of consoles.  It could just in fact be more advanced cameras which given the extra power required to run will need a new console.  The point is that Natal this generation could be seen as a introduction to controller free gaming in a similar way Nintendo have used the original Wiimote before motion plus was released.

 

 



slowmo said:
You guys are readin way too much into this, he doesn't mention any timescales for a start. This is simply a case of him saying the company believes the technology has a big future and they're looking into future implementations.

Too many haters in this thread already, mind you its expected whenever a thread opens in the Microsoft section with Natal in the title. You may as well just name a thread "diss Natal" and put it in the Sony forum and make it easier all round for everyone.



slowmo said:
jneul said:
slowmo said:
Severance said:
i'm not against researching at all , but why not implement the new technology on the first natal ? since its not finished yet why not?
that only means that they want people to buy both versions, i'd understand if Nintendo did it , Wii mote was good, then after a couple of years Wii Motion plus, that upgrades one what the consumer already have.

If you keep delaying to add new extras you end up like GT5 stuck in perpetual development.  Sometimes its better to get a product to the customer and see what they ACTUALLY think in the wild then refine your next version.  All the testing in the world doesn't mean anything until it reaches customers in real world terms.

Would I have rather waited an extra year to play the drums on Rock Band while they added cymbal support, nope.  Would I like to have waited 2 years for motion plus on the Wii, nope.  In fact would I rather have waited for any hardware peripheral I've bought this generation, nope. 

 

oh we all know what happens when you rush a product, GT5 may be taking forever, but it will be nothing short of a masterpiece when it finally arrives, you only have to look at Forza 3 for an example of how nothing good comes from rushing products, this includes games and it especially includes hardware.

Finally the engine they have developed for GT5 will be reused, we all remember that right, the next GT on PS will take alot less time to develop.

 

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbox360/forzamotorsport3

Take your pick but the overall status of universally acclaimed is pretty clear the game is anything but "nothing good", it would seem you know very little about Forza 3 other than what you read from GT fanboys.  Natal isn't being rushed in the slightest, its just they haven't needed to show their big guns unlike Sony who had to release some Move news after the cringe worthy unveiling last year at E3 which was obvious to everyone they were lying about how far in dvelopment it was (Spring 2010, I think not).  Natal is cruising in low gear with the hype and interest they generated, even after GDC the hype level for MOve outside of gaming internet forums is at absolute zero.

Finally we have no idea how long this generation is going to last and if they don't get GT5 out this year then you can pretty much say goodbye to GT6 appearing on the PS3.  That is of course unless you want GT6 to just be milking sales from the franchise.

 

@severance - We have no idea what they're researching, it could be more software than hardware in terms of features.  It could be integration of Natal processing hardware in the next generation of consoles.  It could just in fact be more advanced cameras which given the extra power required to run will need a new console.  The point is that Natal this generation could be seen as a introduction to controller free gaming in a similar way Nintendo have used the original Wiimote before motion plus was released.

 

 

sorry i will agree to disagree I have proof in my thread that ps move has been in development pre 2004, an actual video footage of the original idea was shown, also no I don't listen to GT fans, I played on forza 3, and I was not impressed t be honest I think it's overated by some reviewer's

Edit: Your not alone also, I lost count of how many times a Ps Move thread go invaded by non Ps Fans, I just like to comment on hardware like this because I'm inrested in the future of Natal, but not as it is right now, as I have said countless times it needs more development before they release it.



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MS spends a lot of money on research confirmed.

I guess by vgchartz retard logic AMD and Intel are idiots when they release their CPU roadmaps, cause it's really bad PR.



jneul said:
slowmo said:
jneul said:
slowmo said:
Severance said:
i'm not against researching at all , but why not implement the new technology on the first natal ? since its not finished yet why not?
that only means that they want people to buy both versions, i'd understand if Nintendo did it , Wii mote was good, then after a couple of years Wii Motion plus, that upgrades one what the consumer already have.

If you keep delaying to add new extras you end up like GT5 stuck in perpetual development.  Sometimes its better to get a product to the customer and see what they ACTUALLY think in the wild then refine your next version.  All the testing in the world doesn't mean anything until it reaches customers in real world terms.

Would I have rather waited an extra year to play the drums on Rock Band while they added cymbal support, nope.  Would I like to have waited 2 years for motion plus on the Wii, nope.  In fact would I rather have waited for any hardware peripheral I've bought this generation, nope. 

 

oh we all know what happens when you rush a product, GT5 may be taking forever, but it will be nothing short of a masterpiece when it finally arrives, you only have to look at Forza 3 for an example of how nothing good comes from rushing products, this includes games and it especially includes hardware.

Finally the engine they have developed for GT5 will be reused, we all remember that right, the next GT on PS will take alot less time to develop.

 

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbox360/forzamotorsport3

Take your pick but the overall status of universally acclaimed is pretty clear the game is anything but "nothing good", it would seem you know very little about Forza 3 other than what you read from GT fanboys.  Natal isn't being rushed in the slightest, its just they haven't needed to show their big guns unlike Sony who had to release some Move news after the cringe worthy unveiling last year at E3 which was obvious to everyone they were lying about how far in dvelopment it was (Spring 2010, I think not).  Natal is cruising in low gear with the hype and interest they generated, even after GDC the hype level for MOve outside of gaming internet forums is at absolute zero.

Finally we have no idea how long this generation is going to last and if they don't get GT5 out this year then you can pretty much say goodbye to GT6 appearing on the PS3.  That is of course unless you want GT6 to just be milking sales from the franchise.

 

@severance - We have no idea what they're researching, it could be more software than hardware in terms of features.  It could be integration of Natal processing hardware in the next generation of consoles.  It could just in fact be more advanced cameras which given the extra power required to run will need a new console.  The point is that Natal this generation could be seen as a introduction to controller free gaming in a similar way Nintendo have used the original Wiimote before motion plus was released.

 

 

sorry i will agree to disagree I have proof in my thread that ps move has been in development pre 2004, an actual video footage of the original idea was shown, also no I don't listen to GT fans, I played on forza 3, and I was not impressed t be honest I think it's overated by some reviwer's

Thats just silly but fair enough if you want to post such a ridiculous claim.  You basically said Forza 3 wasn't good, you were so wrong in that regard its not even funny.  We can carry on going in circles or you can admit you tried to troll my point on GT's development time with a slight at Forza 3 which you now cannot possibly backup as it will be nigh on impossible for you to find ANY professional review of the game that says it isn't at least "good".  Don't just run away, either conceed your point or show me evidence to backup this lunacy.

 

We can agree to disagree all you like on the Move, its still a blatant rip off no matter how you want to coat it.  If its been in development since 2004 then why do we suddenly have a nunchuck device when last year at E3 they just had a guy with a controller in his other hand.  The product is a rip off and the sooner you and the rest of the Sony camp in denial admit that the quicker the Nintendo guys will get off your back.  I personally couldn't care less if its a copy or not, if its good I'll get it, if not I'll have a laugh.

Many developers with hands on time of Natal don't seem to think it needs more development time by the way....



slowmo said:
jneul said:
slowmo said:
jneul said:
slowmo said:
Severance said:
i'm not against researching at all , but why not implement the new technology on the first natal ? since its not finished yet why not?
that only means that they want people to buy both versions, i'd understand if Nintendo did it , Wii mote was good, then af ter a couple of years Wii Motion plus, that upgrades one what the consumer already have.

If you keep delaying to add new extras you end up like GT5 stuck in perpetual development.  Sometimes its better to get a product to the customer and see what they ACTUALLY think in the wild then refine your next version.  All the testing in the world doesn't mean anything until it reaches customers in real world terms.

Would I have rather waited an extra year to play the drums on Rock Band while they added cymbal support, nope.  Would I like to have waited 2 years for motion plus on the Wii, nope.  In fact would I rather have waited for any hardware peripheral I've bought this generation, nope. 

 

oh we all know what happens when you rush a product, GT5 may be taking forever, but it will be nothing short of a masterpiece when it finally arrives, you only have to look at Forza 3 for an example of how nothing good comes from rushing products, this includes games and it especially includes hardware.

Finally the engine they have developed for GT5 will be reused, we all remember that right, the next GT on PS will take alot less time to develop.

 

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbox360/forzamotorsport3

Take your pick but the overall status of universally acclaimed is pretty clear the game is anything but "nothing good", it would seem you know very little about Forza 3 other than what you read from GT fanboys.  Natal isn't being rushed in the slightest, its just they haven't needed to show their big guns unlike Sony who had to release some Move news after the cringe worthy unveiling last year at E3 which was obvious to everyone they were lying about how far in dvelopment it was (Spring 2010, I think not).  Natal is cruising in low gear with the hype and interest they generated, even after GDC the hype level for MOve outside of gaming internet forums is at absolute zero.

Finally we have no idea how long this generation is going to last and if they don't get GT5 out this year then you can pretty much say goodbye to GT6 appearing on the PS3.  That is of course unless you want GT6 to just be milking sales from the franchise.

 

@severance - We have no idea what they're researching, it could be more software than hardware in terms of features.  It could be integration of Natal processing hardware in the next generation of consoles.  It could just in fact be more advanced cameras which given the extra power required to run will need a new console.  The point is that Natal this generation could be seen as a introduction to controller free gaming in a similar way Nintendo have used the original Wiimote before motion plus was released.

 

 

sorry i will agree to disagree I have proof in my thread that ps move has been in development pre 2004, an actual video footage of the original idea was shown, also no I don't listen to GT fans, I played on forza 3, and I was not impressed t be honest I think it's overated by some reviwer's

Thats just silly but fair enough if you want to post such a ridiculous claim.  You basically said Forza 3 wasn't good, you were so wrong in that regard its not even funny.  We can carry on going in circles or you can admit you tried to troll my point on GT's development time with a slight at Forza 3 which you now cannot possibly backup as it will be nigh on impossible for you to find ANY professional review of the game that says it isn't at least "good".  Don't just run away, either conceed your point or show me evidence to backup this lunacy.

 

We can agree to disagree all you like on the Move, its still a blatant rip off no matter how you want to coat it.  If its been in development since 2004 then why do we suddenly have a nunchuck device when last year at E3 they just had a guy with a controller in his other hand.  The product is a rip off and the sooner you and the rest of the Sony camp in denial admit that the quicker the Nintendo guys will get off your back.  I personally couldn't care less if its a copy or not, if its good I'll get it, if not I'll have a laugh.

Many developers with hands on time of Natal don't seem to think it needs more development time by the way....

does natal run at 30fps?



slowmo said:
jneul said:
slowmo said:
jneul said:
slowmo said:
Severance said:
i'm not against researching at all , but why not implement the new technology on the first natal ? since its not finished yet why not?
that only means that they want people to buy both versions, i'd understand if Nintendo did it , Wii mote was good, then after a couple of years Wii Motion plus, that upgrades one what the consumer already have.

If you keep delaying to add new extras you end up like GT5 stuck in perpetual development.  Sometimes its better to get a product to the customer and see what they ACTUALLY think in the wild then refine your next version.  All the testing in the world doesn't mean anything until it reaches customers in real world terms.

Would I have rather waited an extra year to play the drums on Rock Band while they added cymbal support, nope.  Would I like to have waited 2 years for motion plus on the Wii, nope.  In fact would I rather have waited for any hardware peripheral I've bought this generation, nope. 

 

oh we all know what happens when you rush a product, GT5 may be taking forever, but it will be nothing short of a masterpiece when it finally arrives, you only have to look at Forza 3 for an example of how nothing good comes from rushing products, this includes games and it especially includes hardware.

Finally the engine they have developed for GT5 will be reused, we all remember that right, the next GT on PS will take alot less time to develop.

 

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbox360/forzamotorsport3

Take your pick but the overall status of universally acclaimed is pretty clear the game is anything but "nothing good", it would seem you know very little about Forza 3 other than what you read from GT fanboys.  Natal isn't being rushed in the slightest, its just they haven't needed to show their big guns unlike Sony who had to release some Move news after the cringe worthy unveiling last year at E3 which was obvious to everyone they were lying about how far in dvelopment it was (Spring 2010, I think not).  Natal is cruising in low gear with the hype and interest they generated, even after GDC the hype level for MOve outside of gaming internet forums is at absolute zero.

Finally we have no idea how long this generation is going to last and if they don't get GT5 out this year then you can pretty much say goodbye to GT6 appearing on the PS3.  That is of course unless you want GT6 to just be milking sales from the franchise.

 

@severance - We have no idea what they're researching, it could be more software than hardware in terms of features.  It could be integration of Natal processing hardware in the next generation of consoles.  It could just in fact be more advanced cameras which given the extra power required to run will need a new console.  The point is that Natal this generation could be seen as a introduction to controller free gaming in a similar way Nintendo have used the original Wiimote before motion plus was released.

 

 

sorry i will agree to disagree I have proof in my thread that ps move has been in development pre 2004, an actual video footage of the original idea was shown, also no I don't listen to GT fans, I played on forza 3, and I was not impressed t be honest I think it's overated by some reviwer's

Thats just silly but fair enough if you want to post such a ridiculous claim.  You basically said Forza 3 wasn't good, you were so wrong in that regard its not even funny.  We can carry on going in circles or you can admit you tried to troll my point on GT's development time with a slight at Forza 3 which you now cannot possibly backup as it will be nigh on impossible for you to find ANY professional review of the game that says it isn't at least "good".  Don't just run away, either conceed your point or show me evidence to backup this lunacy.

 

We can agree to disagree all you like on the Move, its still a blatant rip off no matter how you want to coat it.  If its been in development since 2004 then why do we suddenly have a nunchuck device when last year at E3 they just had a guy with a controller in his other hand.  The product is a rip off and the sooner you and the rest of the Sony camp in denial admit that the quicker the Nintendo guys will get off your back.  I personally couldn't care less if its a copy or not, if its good I'll get it, if not I'll have a laugh.

Many developers with hands on time of Natal don't seem to think it needs more development time by the way....

since when can we trust reviewer's lol, reviwer's told me WKC was rubbish, they was wrong, it was at least 8.4/10 for me, so what may be a great game to lots of users, may not be to some people, so go find every good review out there all you want, reviewer's are biased.

Also you have made no effort to go look at that 2004 video I put in my thread, if you did you would see the similarities in the ideas, and admitedly they obviously have tailored the look to the wiimote, but in essence NATAL IS JUST LIKE AN EYE TOY, with newer technology.

Finally everthing so far about natal has been pure hype, nothing concrete has been shown



it's the future of handheld

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The official Vita thread http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=130023&page=1

forza 3 is an awesome game, some of you ps3 fanboys make me embarrased to own a ps3 sometimes, quit the trolling!!!