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izaaz101 said:
Rinne is fantastic, what are you talking about?

Rinne > Niemi > Ellis > Crawford > Pickard > Huet.


You putting Huest on the bottom really just shows that you've been swayed by the media. huet carried the team the first 3/4ths of the season... You know... when they were far above everyone in the league with points. Also how are we rating the goalies? niemi has less starts but same shut outs. Niemi > Rinne in shut out %. Niemi has 2.25 GAA Rinne has 2.75 I think. Niemi > Rinne. Niemi has a negligble difference in Save% yet Niemi still > Rinne. Crawford... I have no clue how you are rating this because Crawford is mediocre at best.



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Can you explain how Huet carried the team for approximately the first 60 games of the season, when he played under 50 games and had save % of under 90.0? To me, on a team that was, what top 3 in goals against (?), those stats suggest that the goalie blows (forget the fact that 10 or so times that I've watched him, he's been poor).

You can use the fact that they were "far above everyone in the league with points" as a factor in this discussion - however, it's a not a positive for Huet. That just shows that he played poorly, was replaced, and then Niemi couldn't make up for it, eventually finishing 2nd in the conference, and double digits in points behind the Caps. Hell, by your standards, Theodore must be an awesome goalie, right?

Rinne is an excellent goalie, who gives his team a chance to win every night. I think his GAA is more in the 2.50 range, but at any rate, you are making the assumption that GAA is solely based on the goalie, and ranking the goalies based on that, when in fact GAA tends to be highly correlated with team defense - funny how that goes, isn't it?

Huet's body language after allowing goals shows that he can't handle pressure and if a goalie can't handle pressure, he's worthless. He showed he couldn't handle it in Montreal, and he sure as hell isn't showing he can handle it in Chicago. The only places he's been able to handle the pressure is lesser hockey markets - LA and Washington. Sure, Washington is pressure packed now, due to the high expectations after winning the President's trophy, but not back when Huet was there. Neither Crawford or Pickard have demonstrated an ability to handle the big time, but neither of them have shown the incapability to deal with pressure like Huet has.



No GAA is not solely against the goalie. That is why I asked how you are rating them. Because it is under the goalies stats.

Huets GAA and S% were a lot higher in the begining of January. He actually had better S% than Niemi at one point but higher GAA by like .25. Niemi had like 1.99 and Huet had like 2.25. There was a stretch that the hawks defense collapsed. That one game against Blue Jackets for example. Thats what destroyed Huets S%.

Niemi has always played more than a normal back up. Just like Huet the year before. I don't know why the hawks do that. That's why Huets GP isn't as high as you would think. But Huet was solid up till Feb and then the defense and goal tending collapsed for a little bit. Quennenville tried to shake things up by playing both goalies but nothing seemed to work. I think ultimatly Q chose Niemi because of things like the media and fans. The players are aware of whats being said about them and if a goalie with such negative press surrounding him is playing that could infect the entire team. That and Niemi did have glorious saves in a few key pionts in games. That reflects with his high shut outs with less games played than other goalies.

And I checked... It was ellis with the close to 2.75 GAA. Thought it was Rinne. Still Huet has 2.50 GAA and a .895 isn't much worse than a .911. with a 2.53 GAA. Huet and Rinne are pretty comparable. Dont let the media get to you. There is no excuse for you to put Crawford before Huet though. And by all means I am not Huet fan. I think he should have played more last year in the playoffs because Khabibulin had a tendancy to get injured and swapping in a goalie who hasn't played in a few months had nothing but bad news written on it. I also believe the media and fans are over critical of the Goalie. Especially the fans. They don't want to blame the entire team for their skid but wanted to take the easy way out and say it was one guy.



Huet, frankly, is a huge disappointment. I don't understand why you're trying to spin the numbers like you are. This has nothing to do with the media. Huet has not showed himself to be a competent goalie this season. Rinne and Niemi are the comparibles.

If my math is correct, these would be their stats in a full 82 game season (decimals rounded)

Niemi: 172 goals against on 1968 shots = One goal every 11 shots

Rinne: 194 goals against on 2179 shots = One goal every 11 shots

Huet: 195 goals against on 1850 shots = One goal every 9 shots


With that conclusion, if each goalie faced 2000 shots this season while maintaining those statistics...

Niemi: 182 Goals

Rinne: 182 Goals

Huet: 222 Goals

Based on his statistics, Huet would give up, on average, 40 more goals a season than Niemi and Rinne, who are essentially totally even. Huet is a major bust.

The only difference between Niemi and Rinne is that Niemi has a better team in front of him, and would be more likely to face lower percentage shots. I give the edge to Rinne.



Huet hasn't shown himself? Is that why the hawks had the best record in Hocket before Caps when on an extended win streak with Huet in net?



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In the regular season, Chicago has won games without needing much from Huet. If he was on a lesser team that depended on their goaltender more, he would be buried in the minors right now.



Boucher > All

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O-D-C said:
Boucher > All

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He does have the record for most consecutive shutouts in NHL history.....



izaaz101 said:
O-D-C said:
Boucher > All

: )

He does have the record for most consecutive shutouts in NHL history.....

That he does



oh hell yes! GO PREDATORS! 4-1!

 

So, is it safe to say now, Rinne > Niemi ?



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