PearlJam said: The only thing more pathetic than Sony's shameless Move, is the spin in this thread. Sony copied Nintendo straight out, it's basically the same product. Just like they slapped on analog sticks after Nintendo figured out how to do it right, and the same thing with rumble. I don't understand how people can seriously try to debate this.
I don't care if technically there are a few differences, they achieve the same goal and are used the same way. Even the games look like Wii knock-offs. Sorry guys, just admit that your favorite company shamelessly ripped off another idea, again. People trying to defend Sony will just make things worse, you will only make people hate them even more.
again for the misinformed go read my thread mini games, like the sports one existed on ps2 way before the wii, Sony did not copy the Wii, they just styled their controller to look too much like the wiimote, which admittedly is irritating, but honestly, how else could you make it different, Even Natal which uses some new technology, copies from the original eye toy
Eyetoy plays differently then wii's motion control. Oh and, Eyetoy failed. Why do people keep using this argument? Eyetoy was a gimmick with no good games.
what does "failing" have to do with anything? You're avoiding the fact that the idea and tech was already there in the first place. Being successful at "copying" a product, doesn't mean that you're not taking ideas from that product. So, by your logic, activsion was the first to invent a guitar game because konami's guitar freaks was not as popular? get real.
So if Sony decides to release a power glove and virtual goggle system, then go on to make billions of profit off of it, they'd be the real innovators right?
How is Eyetoy the same as Wii's motion control? Explain me that. I've played it and it's different and it sucks. Not that the technology sucks, but the games suck and that's all that matters.
If Sony made billions of dollars of the power glove then that would mean they had some great games with it that used the technology. So yeah, they would be innovaters in the gaming industry then.
PearlJam said: The only thing more pathetic than Sony's shameless Move, is the spin in this thread. Sony copied Nintendo straight out, it's basically the same product. Just like they slapped on analog sticks after Nintendo figured out how to do it right, and the same thing with rumble. I don't understand how people can seriously try to debate this.
I don't care if technically there are a few differences, they achieve the same goal and are used the same way. Even the games look like Wii knock-offs. Sorry guys, just admit that your favorite company shamelessly ripped off another idea, again. People trying to defend Sony will just make things worse, you will only make people hate them even more.
again for the misinformed go read my thread mini games, like the sports one existed on ps2 way before the wii, Sony did not copy the Wii, they just styled their controller to look too much like the wiimote, which admittedly is irritating, but honestly, how else could you make it different, Even Natal which uses some new technology, copies from the original eye toy
Eyetoy plays differently then wii's motion control. Oh and, Eyetoy failed. Why do people keep using this argument? Eyetoy was a gimmick with no good games.
what does "failing" have to do with anything? You're avoiding the fact that the idea and tech was already there in the first place. Being successful at "copying" a product, doesn't mean that you're not taking ideas from that product. So, by your logic, activsion was the first to invent a guitar game because konami's guitar freaks was not as popular? get real.
So if Sony decides to release a power glove and virtual goggle system, then go on to make billions of profit off of it, they'd be the real innovators right?
How is Eyetoy the same as Wii's motion control? Explain me that. I've played it and it's different and it sucks. Not that the technology sucks, but the games suck and that's all that matters.
If Sony made billions of dollars of the power glove then that would mean they had some great games with it that used the technology. So yeah, they would be innovaters in the gaming industry then.
The eyetoy is the same in that they are both use the movements of the body other than the pressing of a button to issue a command in a video game. Both techs use a sensor to filter out and display actions on a screen.
You're arguments make no sense when you talk about "games are all that matters." The whole issue isn't even about the software that utilizes the tech, but rather the technology and where certain companies drew inspiration from. If it's about all about the software, then I can tell you first hand that VERY few games on the wii even takes full advantage of motion controls, it's often unrealistic and leaning towards a gimmicky feel.
You can't possibly think that you'd need to make huge profits just to be considered an innovator. So I suppose Apple were the ones that invented touch screens and MP3 players ? or were they the first ones that just knew how to market it correctly?
PearlJam said: The only thing more pathetic than Sony's shameless Move, is the spin in this thread. Sony copied Nintendo straight out, it's basically the same product. Just like they slapped on analog sticks after Nintendo figured out how to do it right, and the same thing with rumble. I don't understand how people can seriously try to debate this.
I don't care if technically there are a few differences, they achieve the same goal and are used the same way. Even the games look like Wii knock-offs. Sorry guys, just admit that your favorite company shamelessly ripped off another idea, again. People trying to defend Sony will just make things worse, you will only make people hate them even more.
again for the misinformed go read my thread mini games, like the sports one existed on ps2 way before the wii, Sony did not copy the Wii, they just styled their controller to look too much like the wiimote, which admittedly is irritating, but honestly, how else could you make it different, Even Natal which uses some new technology, copies from the original eye toy
Eyetoy plays differently then wii's motion control. Oh and, Eyetoy failed. Why do people keep using this argument? Eyetoy was a gimmick with no good games.
what does "failing" have to do with anything? You're avoiding the fact that the idea and tech was already there in the first place. Being successful at "copying" a product, doesn't mean that you're not taking ideas from that product. So, by your logic, activsion was the first to invent a guitar game because konami's guitar freaks was not as popular? get real.
So if Sony decides to release a power glove and virtual goggle system, then go on to make billions of profit off of it, they'd be the real innovators right?
How is Eyetoy the same as Wii's motion control? Explain me that. I've played it and it's different and it sucks. Not that the technology sucks, but the games suck and that's all that matters.
If Sony made billions of dollars of the power glove then that would mean they had some great games with it that used the technology. So yeah, they would be innovaters in the gaming industry then.
The eyetoy is the same in that they are both use the movements of the body other than the pressing of a button to issue a command in a video game. Both techs use a sensor to filter out and display actions on a screen.
You're arguments make no sense when you talk about "games are all that matters." The whole issue isn't even about the software that utilizes the tech, but rather the technology and where certain companies drew inspiration from. If it's about all about the software, then I can tell you first hand that VERY few games on the wii even takes full advantage of motion controls, it's often unrealistic and leaning towards a gimmicky feel.
You can't possibly think that you'd need to make huge profits just to be considered an innovator. So I suppose Apple were the ones that invented touch screens and MP3 players ? or were they the first ones that just knew how to market it correctly?
No, but an add on won't be a succes without some great games backing it up. So, if Sony would have made billions of the powerglove they would have had some great games for it and they would be the first to create this new experience INTO games in a fun way. Which is all that matters...
And like I said, Eyetoy is totally different then Wii's controller. There for they didn't copy Sony.
It's like saying Natal is the same as wii's controller =/
The reason why Natal exists may be because of the Wii's succes, but they didn't copy the wii's controller as it's totally different. You just can't say the same about sony's motion controller here...
PearlJam said: The only thing more pathetic than Sony's shameless Move, is the spin in this thread. Sony copied Nintendo straight out, it's basically the same product. Just like they slapped on analog sticks after Nintendo figured out how to do it right, and the same thing with rumble. I don't understand how people can seriously try to debate this.
I don't care if technically there are a few differences, they achieve the same goal and are used the same way. Even the games look like Wii knock-offs. Sorry guys, just admit that your favorite company shamelessly ripped off another idea, again. People trying to defend Sony will just make things worse, you will only make people hate them even more.
again for the misinformed go read my thread mini games, like the sports one existed on ps2 way before the wii, Sony did not copy the Wii, they just styled their controller to look too much like the wiimote, which admittedly is irritating, but honestly, how else could you make it different, Even Natal which uses some new technology, copies from the original eye toy
It's not annoying. It's smart to style it like the Wiimote.
They also added Acclerometers to track angles which they previously weren't going to do. Originally all this work being done on the Sony motion controllers were going to have very specific and simple applications.
The general idea sony "took" from Nintendo was that these controls can be applied to more then just simple child like games, but can be used in regular serious full fledged games and can actually draw more people in with it.
They aren't copying the technology, they're copying the design philosphy... which is just called good buisness.
PearlJam said: The only thing more pathetic than Sony's shameless Move, is the spin in this thread. Sony copied Nintendo straight out, it's basically the same product. Just like they slapped on analog sticks after Nintendo figured out how to do it right, and the same thing with rumble. I don't understand how people can seriously try to debate this.
I don't care if technically there are a few differences, they achieve the same goal and are used the same way. Even the games look like Wii knock-offs. Sorry guys, just admit that your favorite company shamelessly ripped off another idea, again. People trying to defend Sony will just make things worse, you will only make people hate them even more.
again for the misinformed go read my thread mini games, like the sports one existed on ps2 way before the wii, Sony did not copy the Wii, they just styled their controller to look too much like the wiimote, which admittedly is irritating, but honestly, how else could you make it different, Even Natal which uses some new technology, copies from the original eye toy
It's not annoying. It's smart to style it like the Wiimote.
They also added Acclerometers to track angles which they previously weren't going to do. Originally all this work being done on the Sony motion controllers were going to have very specific and simple applications.
The general idea sony "took" from Nintendo was that these controls can be applied to more then just simple child like games, but can be used in regular serious full fledged games and can actually draw more people in with it.
They aren't copying the technology, they're copying the design philosphy... which is just called good buisness.
lol I was just pointing out how some people feel about the ps move, I mysely love it, hence the official thread was made by me. Personally myself I agree with you but I wrote it in a more wii user friendly manner as to not be accused of "trolling"
PearlJam said: The only thing more pathetic than Sony's shameless Move, is the spin in this thread. Sony copied Nintendo straight out, it's basically the same product. Just like they slapped on analog sticks after Nintendo figured out how to do it right, and the same thing with rumble. I don't understand how people can seriously try to debate this.
I don't care if technically there are a few differences, they achieve the same goal and are used the same way. Even the games look like Wii knock-offs. Sorry guys, just admit that your favorite company shamelessly ripped off another idea, again. People trying to defend Sony will just make things worse, you will only make people hate them even more.
again for the misinformed go read my thread mini games, like the sports one existed on ps2 way before the wii, Sony did not copy the Wii, they just styled their controller to look too much like the wiimote, which admittedly is irritating, but honestly, how else could you make it different, Even Natal which uses some new technology, copies from the original eye toy
Eyetoy plays differently then wii's motion control. Oh and, Eyetoy failed. Why do people keep using this argument? Eyetoy was a gimmick with no good games.
does it matter wii still nicked the mini game ideas from sony, who nicked their ideas from sega with the dream eye, just watch this
I already knew Nintendo didn't invent table tennis, so that vid was pointless.
here is where you are now contradicting yourself you say you knew about the so called "failed" mini games on PS2, but you still think sony copied?? Here is another video for peple who can't be bothered to click on my official thread, this is getting silly now, lets all be more rational
you can deny it all you want and keep on thinking sony copied, but it is nothing more than a lie spun by the Media, just because Ps move was tailored to look like the wiimote, like I said I can understand your itrritation at the similarity, but please know your facts before accusing of copying.
Finally did I say anything about Nintendo inventing tennis no, I said they did not copy their strategy, and the eye toy play game is motion based, and there are more mini games out there available on the internet for me to show you just how much sony has not copied Nintendo's strategy.
Edit: at this rate I shall be getting banned, but I get mad when people blantantly ignore their gaming history, oh well, it's worth it if a certain group stops complaining
PearlJam said: The only thing more pathetic than Sony's shameless Move, is the spin in this thread. Sony copied Nintendo straight out, it's basically the same product. Just like they slapped on analog sticks after Nintendo figured out how to do it right, and the same thing with rumble. I don't understand how people can seriously try to debate this.
I don't care if technically there are a few differences, they achieve the same goal and are used the same way. Even the games look like Wii knock-offs. Sorry guys, just admit that your favorite company shamelessly ripped off another idea, again. People trying to defend Sony will just make things worse, you will only make people hate them even more.
again for the misinformed go read my thread mini games, like the sports one existed on ps2 way before the wii, Sony did not copy the Wii, they just styled their controller to look too much like the wiimote, which admittedly is irritating, but honestly, how else could you make it different, Even Natal which uses some new technology, copies from the original eye toy
Eyetoy plays differently then wii's motion control. Oh and, Eyetoy failed. Why do people keep using this argument? Eyetoy was a gimmick with no good games.
does it matter wii still nicked the mini game ideas from sony, who nicked their ideas from sega with the dream eye, just watch this
I already knew Nintendo didn't invent table tennis, so that vid was pointless.
here is where you are now contradicting yourself you say you knew about the so called "failed" mini games on PS2, but you still think sony copied?? Here is another video for peple who can't be bothered to click on my official thread, this is getting silly now, lets all be more rational
you can deny it all you want and keep on thinking sony copied, but it is nothing more than a lie spun by the Media, just because Ps move was tailored to look like the wiimote, like I said I can understand your itrritation at the similarity, but please know your facts before accusing of copying.
Finally did I say anything about Nintendo inventing tennis no, I said they did not copy their strategy, and the eye toy play game is motion based, and there are more mini games out there available on the internet for me to show you just how much sony has not copied Nintendo's strategy.
Edit: at this rate I shall be getting banned, but I get mad when people blantantly ignore their gaming history, oh well, it's worth it if a certain group stops complaining
Don't bother, this guy's logic is that if the technology doesn't sell millions of units and generate a hefty profit, it doesn't count as ever being invented....so since nintendo was the first to bank on motion controls, they are automatically the innovators and every else has blatantly copied them...even if the same idea and technology existed before. end of story. Anyone who disagrees (even with reason) to these accusations are officially Sony fanboy spinners.
PearlJam said: The only thing more pathetic than Sony's shameless Move, is the spin in this thread. Sony copied Nintendo straight out, it's basically the same product. Just like they slapped on analog sticks after Nintendo figured out how to do it right, and the same thing with rumble. I don't understand how people can seriously try to debate this.
I don't care if technically there are a few differences, they achieve the same goal and are used the same way. Even the games look like Wii knock-offs. Sorry guys, just admit that your favorite company shamelessly ripped off another idea, again. People trying to defend Sony will just make things worse, you will only make people hate them even more.
again for the misinformed go read my thread mini games, like the sports one existed on ps2 way before the wii, Sony did not copy the Wii, they just styled their controller to look too much like the wiimote, which admittedly is irritating, but honestly, how else could you make it different, Even Natal which uses some new technology, copies from the original eye toy
Eyetoy plays differently then wii's motion control. Oh and, Eyetoy failed. Why do people keep using this argument? Eyetoy was a gimmick with no good games.
does it matter wii still nicked the mini game ideas from sony, who nicked their ideas from sega with the dream eye, just watch this
I already knew Nintendo didn't invent table tennis, so that vid was pointless.
here is where you are now contradicting yourself you say you knew about the so called "failed" mini games on PS2, but you still think sony copied?? Here is another video for peple who can't be bothered to click on my official thread, this is getting silly now, lets all be more rational
you can deny it all you want and keep on thinking sony copied, but it is nothing more than a lie spun by the Media, just because Ps move was tailored to look like the wiimote, like I said I can understand your itrritation at the similarity, but please know your facts before accusing of copying.
Finally did I say anything about Nintendo inventing tennis no, I said they did not copy their strategy, and the eye toy play game is motion based, and there are more mini games out there available on the internet for me to show you just how much sony has not copied Nintendo's strategy.
Edit: at this rate I shall be getting banned, but I get mad when people blantantly ignore their gaming history, oh well, it's worth it if a certain group stops complaining
Don't bother, this guy's logic is that if the technology doesn't sell millions of units and generate a hefty profit, it doesn't count as ever being invented....so since nintendo was the first to bank on motion controls, they are automatically the innovators and every else has blatantly copied them...even if the same idea and technology existed before. end of story. Anyone who disagrees (even with reason) to these accusations are officially Sony fanboy spinners.
Thanks, and you're right I am waisting my time, lol even when factual evidence smacks them in the face they still deny it, lol
PearlJam said: The only thing more pathetic than Sony's shameless Move, is the spin in this thread. Sony copied Nintendo straight out, it's basically the same product. Just like they slapped on analog sticks after Nintendo figured out how to do it right, and the same thing with rumble. I don't understand how people can seriously try to debate this.
I don't care if technically there are a few differences, they achieve the same goal and are used the same way. Even the games look like Wii knock-offs. Sorry guys, just admit that your favorite company shamelessly ripped off another idea, again. People trying to defend Sony will just make things worse, you will only make people hate them even more.
again for the misinformed go read my thread mini games, like the sports one existed on ps2 way before the wii, Sony did not copy the Wii, they just styled their controller to look too much like the wiimote, which admittedly is irritating, but honestly, how else could you make it different, Even Natal which uses some new technology, copies from the original eye toy
Eyetoy plays differently then wii's motion control. Oh and, Eyetoy failed. Why do people keep using this argument? Eyetoy was a gimmick with no good games.
does it matter wii still nicked the mini game ideas from sony, who nicked their ideas from sega with the dream eye, just watch this
I already knew Nintendo didn't invent table tennis, so that vid was pointless.
here is where you are now contradicting yourself you say you knew about the so called "failed" mini games on PS2, but you still think sony copied?? Here is another video for peple who can't be bothered to click on my official thread, this is getting silly now, lets all be more rational
you can deny it all you want and keep on thinking sony copied, but it is nothing more than a lie spun by the Media, just because Ps move was tailored to look like the wiimote, like I said I can understand your itrritation at the similarity, but please know your facts before accusing of copying.
Finally did I say anything about Nintendo inventing tennis no, I said they did not copy their strategy, and the eye toy play game is motion based, and there are more mini games out there available on the internet for me to show you just how much sony has not copied Nintendo's strategy.
Edit: at this rate I shall be getting banned, but I get mad when people blantantly ignore their gaming history, oh well, it's worth it if a certain group stops complaining
It's more then JUST the look of the wiimote though. When I say design philosphy, I mean the entire philosphy of motion controls. Sony only ever meant to use motion controls for very trvial games, and they did copy some tech that Nintendo copies.
If you'll note the very video you posted... there is nothing there that tracks angles. It's soley based on movement. Also note the games he talks about... all childish and simple etc.
Without the Wii the PS move likely would have only half the features it has now, and only be used for very limted games like the PSeye.
Sony did not innovate anything......their controller at launch didnt even have any analog sticks but once the N64 analog was getting praise , sony made the dual-stick model controller and when nintendos rumble pak took off , sony made the dual shock......all sony has done is copy Nintendo by literally doubling it.
It is a case of follow the leader.
Sony have historically improved upon those ideas though, so it's not all bad.
Analogue -> Dual Analogue
Rumble Pak -> Built in Rumble
Anyway... Why do we never see any complaints about say, the DVD? Wasn't the PlayStation 2 the first console to use DVD tech? Yet now it is used by the Xbox... Or wasn't the original PlayStation the console with CD-based tech to first "use it successfully", with over 100Million units sold? We never hear anything about those though do we?
Or even the PlayStation Memory Card... Surely that was the first to be uber popular, with 100M+ sales of the console... Why don't we ever hear anything about that? Both Wii and 360 STILL use Memory Cards.
Being the first to be popular isnt the same as being innovative.....which should be obvious.
And the ps2 using dvd's is just progression NOT innovation.....there were other gaming machines using discs as mediums and dvd's were the next discs to be used. You dont hear about any of these in an innovations discussion because they have no place in them.
Yes Sony broke these once after thought products and made them gaming standards , but that is not innovating that is using past ideas for your own success.
Thats one reason I believe that the Move will fail and Natal will have a chance to succeed......the move is already copying something that is easily the biggest thing in console gaming history which is the wii-mote and that will make it look like a copycat.While Natal is copying something that faltered and improving on it vastly which is the eyetoy.....this gives Natal a chance while the Move is already sent to its deathbed at birth.
*BTW , most cd-based consoles before the PS1 used memory cards......case in point the sega-cd.
I was just waiting for you to use that
Nintendo fans have been saying Motion Controls are the future. Surely that means it's just "progression", yes? And they should be happy both Sony and MS are also jumping on the tech... Yes?
But oh no. It's TERRIBLE that they are also starting with Motion Control! How dare they!
Using motion controls is not progression as it is breaking the mold on how we play video games which makes it different than anything welse on the market.....thats innovation.
The only difference between the dvd and cd is that one has more storage than the other......it would still be possible to have the ps2 use cd's but it would be far too troublesome and whould probably take at least3-4 cd's for each game......if you consider this innovation than every single mp3 manufacturer who has had the mp3 with the highest storage at one point has innovated......which complete bull as all they did was just add more gigs of storage.
In that case, the EyeToy on PS2 (or even the Dream Eye on Dreamcast, if you want) should also take credit for Motion Controls, as they also redefined how we played videogames then, now and in the future (PS Eye / Natal). Infact, when Natal is shown... And the PS fanbase goes crazy over it with the "OMG EyeToy copy!" bullcrap, can i expect to see you backing the PS Fans?
From what i've seen on these forums for well over a year, the general thought of the Wii fanbase is that Motion controls are the "future", and Sony/MS needed to jump on board / "Catch up". Now they are, it's just not fair and they are copying scum. The thing they seem to be bothered about is how Sony have slated the motion controls, but now embrace them... Hypocrisy. Which is just the same as what the Nintendo fans are doing as we speak...
Why should the pseye take credit when the dream eye came before it?
Anyways ,dont make this into waht it isnt.....when someone says that nintendo did not invent motion controls or atleast were the first to use it in gaming (ala the power glove) and then have the gall to say Nintendo copied Sony.....I will obviously give a hard reality check no matter what you think.
The reason why everyone is calling it a rip-off and why everyone is getting at sony (which is by all means absolutely deserved imo) is that their once labled "fad" is now going to be one of their biggest pushes.....which is sad. Yes MS also deserves this as well , but why they arent harped at like Sony is that they did not out-right copy what they once rediculed but instead imbraced Motion controls in a different way. Had Sony done their motion controls in a different way , by innovating instead of copying the market leader , then they wouldnt get nearly as much heat as they are now.
N64 is the ONLY console of the fifth generation!!!
