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Will nextbox use blueray?

yes 77 41.62%
 
no, digital distribution 60 32.43%
 
all consoles will use blue ray 48 25.95%
 
Total:185
heruamon said:
Squilliam said:

If it represents a $10-15 saving on the drive and another $9.50 on Blu Ray playback its quite a bit of savings to consider relative to what 95% of games will require (im going off the $23 of royalties justification for CBHD vs DVD). Even limiting themselves to single layer 15GB discs would be good enough for at least 97% of games in the next generation. This will be especially important when next generation consoles probably won't cost more than $299 at launch.

Yeah, nobody in the west has done a hard srcub of CBHD for public consumption, since it launched, but evidently, ALOT of companies have looked into it, based on how many of them are supporting it in China.  I think M$ is going to look at the decision very hard to decide what format to use...but I DO think we will a physical media formt for the next console, because DD just isn't there yet, as Joeorc pointed out.

I think the Blu Ray ship has sailed and its not coming back to harbour unless Microsoft nails a really good deal for all computer manufacturers to switch over to CBHD.

Whilst I do agree that Microsoft will have an optical drive in their next console, I do believe they will offer a console SKU without an Optical drive and that console SKU will be DD only. They'll use a combination of kiosk and internet download to get games out to people as you only have to download the first 1-2GB before you can actually start playing the game.



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Squilliam said:
heruamon said:
Squilliam said:

If it represents a $10-15 saving on the drive and another $9.50 on Blu Ray playback its quite a bit of savings to consider relative to what 95% of games will require (im going off the $23 of royalties justification for CBHD vs DVD). Even limiting themselves to single layer 15GB discs would be good enough for at least 97% of games in the next generation. This will be especially important when next generation consoles probably won't cost more than $299 at launch.

Yeah, nobody in the west has done a hard srcub of CBHD for public consumption, since it launched, but evidently, ALOT of companies have looked into it, based on how many of them are supporting it in China.  I think M$ is going to look at the decision very hard to decide what format to use...but I DO think we will a physical media formt for the next console, because DD just isn't there yet, as Joeorc pointed out.

I think the Blu Ray ship has sailed and its not coming back to harbour unless Microsoft nails a really good deal for all computer manufacturers to switch over to CBHD.

Whilst I do agree that Microsoft will have an optical drive in their next console, I do believe they will offer a console SKU without an Optical drive and that console SKU will be DD only. They'll use a combination of kiosk and internet download to get games out to people as you only have to download the first 1-2GB before you can actually start playing the game.

Possibly...have  netbox console and the traditional model as well.  The thing is, even with a non-optical drive model, you can still have USB and SD card slots to support a physical medium support.  The only reason I think CBHD is viable is because you've basically got a cost effective sort of disc that meets the specs for storage capacity, and more importantly, one that doesn't require you to make drastic modifications to your current equiprment to support DVDs. 



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heruamon said:
Squilliam said:

I think the Blu Ray ship has sailed and its not coming back to harbour unless Microsoft nails a really good deal for all computer manufacturers to switch over to CBHD.

Whilst I do agree that Microsoft will have an optical drive in their next console, I do believe they will offer a console SKU without an Optical drive and that console SKU will be DD only. They'll use a combination of kiosk and internet download to get games out to people as you only have to download the first 1-2GB before you can actually start playing the game.

Possibly...have  netbox console and the traditional model as well.  The thing is, even with a non-optical drive model, you can still have USB and SD card slots to support a physical medium support.  The only reason I think CBHD is viable is because you've basically got a cost effective sort of disc that meets the specs for storage capacity, and more importantly, one that doesn't require you to make drastic modifications to your current equiprment to support DVDs. 

Also the writers for the format haven't even left China so they hardly have to worry about piracy. Cost effective is pretty important especially now that they have yet another fixed cost of $40 or so with the Natal or Natal 2 interface.

Lets see $249 - $40 packaging/shipping/retail = $210

$210 - $80 Natal, controller, cords, leads, power brick, chassis. = $130

$20 saved out of $130 for internal components would be quite significant. Its the difference beween having say 1GB of ram over 2GB of Ram and a much larger HDD at launch.

In addition to this it means their sunk costs towards optical distribution aren't too great that they would have any disincentive to support kiosk/direct download distribution.

 



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joeorc said:

I still disagree with that.. the Collecting of movies is just like collecting game's, there are people that collect them just like anything.Else

it's human nature to do so. the point is why is the media distributed the content?

if it's not for collector's than what is it for?

the simple:

 A collection is a group of things gathered or collected. A person is a collector when they brings items together into a group. People collect different things. People collect things for lots of reasons - - including that it is fun! Harder - Collecting is a great hobby because it can be different, unique for everyone. Each found item has its own 'story.' In the process of collecting, you continue to learn. As you build any collection, you apply skills in identifying, selecting, discriminating, evaluating, classifying, and arranging items.

Those who view collecting as trivial or a waste of time, miss the connections that it has to life skills and occupations. Scientists also collect things; they gather information, data, and samples. Museums and libraries are collections. Many people make their livelihoods by collecting and disposing items. In fact, all of us go through our lives collecting and discarding things around us.

http://42explore.com/collect.htm

If it's not for collectors, it's just a means of distributing content, which was already mentioned. By more than one person here.

Physical media has always been the most common means of distribution. Until recently, it was the only means. Collections come secondary to the content themselves.

Feel free to disagree or dispute, but common sense says that when the average consumer buys a movie, it's because they want to watch the movie first and foremost, not because they want to display it as part of a collection. Most people didn't hang onto their old VHS movies when DVD became mainstream. Why not? DVD was a more convenient format and the collection of VHS tapes themselves held little value to the average consumer.

When someone picks up a new release game, presumably it's because they want to play that game.

Most gamers don't even hang onto their old games which is why there's a huge secondary market for used games.

This isn't about niche collectors, but average mass consumers. And average mass consumers tend to gravitate towards the most convenient means of purchasing their digital content. iTunes vs. CD remains a pretty compelling case for the future of distributed media.

 



Squilliam said:
heruamon said:
Squilliam said:

I think the Blu Ray ship has sailed and its not coming back to harbour unless Microsoft nails a really good deal for all computer manufacturers to switch over to CBHD.

Whilst I do agree that Microsoft will have an optical drive in their next console, I do believe they will offer a console SKU without an Optical drive and that console SKU will be DD only. They'll use a combination of kiosk and internet download to get games out to people as you only have to download the first 1-2GB before you can actually start playing the game.

Possibly...have  netbox console and the traditional model as well.  The thing is, even with a non-optical drive model, you can still have USB and SD card slots to support a physical medium support.  The only reason I think CBHD is viable is because you've basically got a cost effective sort of disc that meets the specs for storage capacity, and more importantly, one that doesn't require you to make drastic modifications to your current equiprment to support DVDs. 

Also the writers for the format haven't even left China so they hardly have to worry about piracy. Cost effective is pretty important especially now that they have yet another fixed cost of $40 or so with the Natal or Natal 2 interface.

Lets see $249 - $40 packaging/shipping/retail = $210

$210 - $80 Natal, controller, cords, leads, power brick, chassis. = $130

$20 saved out of $130 for internal components would be quite significant. Its the difference beween having say 1GB of ram over 2GB of Ram and a much larger HDD at launch.

In addition to this it means their sunk costs towards optical distribution aren't too great that they would have any disincentive to support kiosk/direct download distribution.

 

Yeah...I remember listening to a Marty O'Donellel interview with OXM, and how he talked about royalties from some jingles in the 80's, when he worked for an ad firm is called "magic money".  People jsut don't understand that licensing fees can really eat into your margins, and M$ is a EXPERT when it comes to licensing technology and the associated fees, so that creates my doubt that they will adopt brd.  Looking at the Wii, I don't think Nintendo ever sold it at a much of a loss, if any...I'm sure M$ is going to try to emulate that as much as possible for Xbox Next.



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Maybe it'll use UVD? Or 5d DvD?



Linkasf said:
Maybe it'll use UVD? Or 5d DvD?


?!?



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heruamon said:
Squilliam said:

Also the writers for the format haven't even left China so they hardly have to worry about piracy. Cost effective is pretty important especially now that they have yet another fixed cost of $40 or so with the Natal or Natal 2 interface.

Lets see $249 - $40 packaging/shipping/retail = $210

$210 - $80 Natal, controller, cords, leads, power brick, chassis. = $130

$20 saved out of $130 for internal components would be quite significant. Its the difference beween having say 1GB of ram over 2GB of Ram and a much larger HDD at launch.

In addition to this it means their sunk costs towards optical distribution aren't too great that they would have any disincentive to support kiosk/direct download distribution.

 

Yeah...I remember listening to a Marty O'Donellel interview with OXM, and how he talked about royalties from some jingles in the 80's, when he worked for an ad firm is called "magic money".  People jsut don't understand that licensing fees can really eat into your margins, and M$ is a EXPERT when it comes to licensing technology and the associated fees, so that creates my doubt that they will adopt brd.  Looking at the Wii, I don't think Nintendo ever sold it at a much of a loss, if any...I'm sure M$ is going to try to emulate that as much as possible for Xbox Next.

Yep royalties are terribly expensive. They have to pay ATI + IBM + DVD forum + NEC (ED-Ram IIRC) and a few others and that probably totals about $35-40 per console which is a pretty significant fixed cost. If they are smart they'll pay a big lump sum to AMD for the chip in their next console and limit their other royalties to keep their overall marginal cost per console low even if they take a hit ahead of time on the fixed costs.



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 heruamon said:
Linkasf said:
Maybe it'll use UVD? Or 5d DvD?


?!?

Go look it up. UVD is a disc medium that goes from 500 GB and above in storage space, while 5D DvD goes from ONE Terabyte to Ten Terabytes. Of course these aren't released just yet. As you can see Blu-Ray isn't really going to be NEEDED by the next consoles.

But... really 500 GB+ is too much for game storage... Unless you release like 20 games in one >.>



MS doesnt pay ATI/IBM anything coz they already gifted them a brilliant lump sump for the design of the 360.

Yup.

360 innards are OWNED by MS. They learned that the hard way from the XBOX. And its quite easy to avoid royalties. MS did it before with the XBOX. A purchase of a remote($20) was necessary in order to activate DVD playback. Or just go nintendos way and disable the feature altogether yet use the same disc tech..



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