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Retired US General: Gay Dutch Troops Contributed to Srebrenica Massacre

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Bosnian Muslim women weep near the coffin of a relative among coffins of Srebrenica victims displayed at a memorial center of Potocari near Srebrenica, Bosnia, 10 Jul 2009

A former top U.S. and NATO commander says the Netherlands' inclusion of gays in their military rendered Dutch peacekeeping troops unable to prevent the slaughter of thousands of Bosnian Muslims at Srebrenica in 1995.

Retired U.S. Marine General John Sheehan led the U.S. Atlantic Command and served as the top NATO commander in the mid-1990s,  the height of ethnic cleansing in former-Yugoslavia.

He told the Senate Armed Services Committee that allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the U.S. military would breed friction and undermine unit cohesion in the armed forces.  Asked by Senator Carl Levin whether other nations, like Britain and Israel, had suffered as a result of ending their nation's bans on gay military service, the general said "yes."

Sheehan pointed to the Netherlands, which he said embarked on a process of social engineering in the Dutch military once the Cold War ended. "They declared a peace dividend and made a conscious effort to socialize their military.  It included open homosexuality.  That led to a force that was ill-equipped to go to war," he said.

In fact, the Netherlands was among the first nations to end discrimination in the military based on sexual orientation, affirming the right of gays to serve years before the fall of the former Soviet Union.

Sheehan backed his contention that gay soldiers undermined Dutch combat readiness by pointing to the massacre of Bosnian Muslims at Srebrenica in 1995.  Four-hundred Dutch peacekeepers protecting the area were overwhelmed by Serbian forces, which killed an estimated 8,000 Muslim men and boys.

Linking the massacre to the Netherlands allowing gays in the military prompted this exchange with Senator Levin, who seemed perplexed by Sheehan's assertion.

SHEEHAN: "That [Srebrenica] was the largest massacre in Europe since World War II."
LEVIN: "And did the Dutch leaders tell you it was because there were gay soldiers there?"
SHEEHAN: "It was a combination ..."
LEVIN: "Did they tell you [that gay soldiers were to blame], that is my question."
SHEEHAN: "Yes."
LEVIN: "They did?"
SHEEHAN: "They included that as part of the problem."

Asked for comment, Dutch military officials expressed astonishment.  The spokesman for the Netherlands Ministry of Defense, Roger van de Wetering, told VOA Sheehan's assertions are "total nonsense" and that he "cannot believe that a man of that rank is stating such a thing."  He added that he had never heard Sheehan's allegation before from any source in the Netherlands or anywhere else.

Many historians have argued that Dutch peacekeeping forces in the Balkans were under-equipped and hampered by operational limitations imposed by the United Nations.

The Senate hearing is being held two months after President Barack Obama called on Congress to repeal a law mandating the U.S. military expel gay service members who do not keep their sexual orientation a secret.  

Since then, many of the nation's top military officials and commanders have voiced support for changing the policy after a thorough review process.  Some have expressed their personal opposition to repealing the law, but have pledged to enforce any new rules set forth by Congress.

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Like WTF???? So the Americans didn't give airsupport to the dutch when they asked for it and this general blames it on gays??



 

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Jup, pretty much the whole: We aren't at fault for repeatedly denieing any request for airsupport/reinforcements, it was all tha gays".

I hope disciplinary actions are being taken with this general for lying on the spot (no Dutch general will ever, EVER endanger his position with such a stance) and that we can ignore this as soon as possible.

But just to make it clear, this, together with the police-actions in our former colony Indonesia are the most blackest spots in Dutch modern history.



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I'm not surprised. Dutch gays also caused the earthquake in Haiti. There's nothing they won't stoop to.



Esmoreit said:
Jup, pretty much the whole: We aren't at fault for repeatedly denieing any request for airsupport/reinforcements, it was all tha gays".

I hope disciplinary actions are being taken with this general for lying on the spot (no Dutch general will ever, EVER endanger his position with such a stance) and that we can ignore this as soon as possible.

But just to make it clear, this, together with the police-actions in our former colony Indonesia are the most blackest spots in Dutch modern history.

He's retired.  Not much they can do.

I'd certiantly ask him which general he said told him this and then press that general.  Afterall it's not beyond people to say stuff like that "off the record."

 

As for gay people in the millitary... my policy is... "anyone who wants to join the army can join, because that's one less open spot, and one step farther away from me being drafted."

 

Although I'd rather be in prison then be in the military is I was a woman.  I hope that's the second Obama works on in regard to the miltary.

Honestly no offense to gay people, but it should be the first thing.  Partially because what happens to a LOT of woman soldiers is worse then being excluded, and partially because the mechanics will be put in place to protect gay people from abuse.  30% of women in the military report being raped... pretty much nobody ever gets charged for it... and quite honestly, rape is the kind of thing that's undereported and likely to be even MORE underreported when they know nothing is going to come of it.

Military police need to be their own armed service seperatley who answer to the department of justice i'd say.



Ugh. What a national embarassment. Someone needs to censure this guy. He's retired, so its not like anyone can use the excuse that it would hurt the military.



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Damn gays causing massacres! Burn them!

/sarcasm


That's pretty funny though (the article I mean, not what I said) blaming gays. Somebody has to take responsibility. Maybe try blaming the Russians. Nobody likes Russians.



Kasz216 said:
Esmoreit said:
Jup, pretty much the whole: We aren't at fault for repeatedly denieing any request for airsupport/reinforcements, it was all tha gays".

I hope disciplinary actions are being taken with this general for lying on the spot (no Dutch general will ever, EVER endanger his position with such a stance) and that we can ignore this as soon as possible.

But just to make it clear, this, together with the police-actions in our former colony Indonesia are the most blackest spots in Dutch modern history.

He's retired.  Not much they can do.

I'd certiantly ask him which general he said told him this and then press that general.  Afterall it's not beyond people to say stuff like that "off the record."

 

As for gay people in the millitary... my policy is... "anyone who wants to join the army can join, because that's one less open spot, and one step farther away from me being drafted."

 

Although I'd rather be in prison then be in the military is I was a woman.  I hope that's the second Obama works on in regard to the miltary.

Honestly no offense to gay people, but it should be the first thing.  Partially because what happens to a LOT of woman soldiers is worse then being excluded, and partially because the mechanics will be put in place to protect gay people from abuse.  30% of women in the military report being raped... pretty much nobody ever gets charged for it... and quite honestly, rape is the kind of thing that's undereported and likely to be even MORE underreported when they know nothing is going to come of it.

Military police need to be their own armed service seperatley who answer to the department of justice i'd say.

In a Dutch newspost, the Dutch officer the American general said he based his conslusions on, said that he never mentioned anything that could even closely resemble that which the American General said and distances itself from his comments.

And indeed, read too late that he was already retired. Cut his pension perhaps?



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Esmoreit said:
Kasz216 said:
Esmoreit said:
Jup, pretty much the whole: We aren't at fault for repeatedly denieing any request for airsupport/reinforcements, it was all tha gays".

I hope disciplinary actions are being taken with this general for lying on the spot (no Dutch general will ever, EVER endanger his position with such a stance) and that we can ignore this as soon as possible.

But just to make it clear, this, together with the police-actions in our former colony Indonesia are the most blackest spots in Dutch modern history.

He's retired.  Not much they can do.

I'd certiantly ask him which general he said told him this and then press that general.  Afterall it's not beyond people to say stuff like that "off the record."

 

As for gay people in the millitary... my policy is... "anyone who wants to join the army can join, because that's one less open spot, and one step farther away from me being drafted."

 

Although I'd rather be in prison then be in the military is I was a woman.  I hope that's the second Obama works on in regard to the miltary.

Honestly no offense to gay people, but it should be the first thing.  Partially because what happens to a LOT of woman soldiers is worse then being excluded, and partially because the mechanics will be put in place to protect gay people from abuse.  30% of women in the military report being raped... pretty much nobody ever gets charged for it... and quite honestly, rape is the kind of thing that's undereported and likely to be even MORE underreported when they know nothing is going to come of it.

Military police need to be their own armed service seperatley who answer to the department of justice i'd say.

In a Dutch newspost, the Dutch officer the American general said he based his conslusions on, said that he never mentioned anything that could even closely resemble that which the American General said and distances itself from his comments.

And indeed, read too late that he was already retired. Cut his pension perhaps?

Wouldn't be legal.



What an absolutely retarded thing to say.

If you look further into this you'll also find that he also blamed 'socialization' is the Netherlands for the problem.



Chairman-Mao said:
Damn gays causing massacres! Burn them!

/sarcasm


That's pretty funny though (the article I mean, not what I said) blaming gays. Somebody has to take responsibility. Maybe try blaming the Russians. Nobody likes Russians.

Nobody's trying to blame anyone for the Srebrenica Massacre, he's just trying to bash gay-integrated armies.



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