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Forums - General Discussion - So the Texas Board of Education may rewrite history textbooks... everywhere

I'm not citing source on this, you can get the whole sordid thing by googling "Thomas Jefferson Texas" and hoo boy will you get some fun out of that.

Now before I begin, I owuld like to say this: folks who ain't from the US, you cannot posisbly understand the enormity of the proposed changes to the history curricula which would be effected by these decisions. You can talk about how it seems silly, but your perspective in this sense is lacking. I can't begin to make you understand through use of witticism or simile.

Proposed changes include but are nont limited to:

- A greater emphasis on “the conservative resurgence of the 1980s and 1990s.”

- A reduced scope for Latino history and culture.

- Changes in specific terminology. (capitalism to free market, imperialism to expansionism, etc.)

- A more positive portrayal of Cold War anticommunism.

- Language that qualifies the legacy of 1960s liberalism.

- Thomas Jefferson no longer included among writers influencing the nation’s intellectual origins.

- Excision of recent third-party presidential candidates Ralph Nader (from the left) and Ross Perot (from the centrist Reform Party)

- A recommendation to include country and western music among the nation’s important cultural movements. (The popular black genre of hip-hop is being dropped from the same list.)

Now I ain't mad. I'm going to try to put this into perspective for you, though. Even if you ignore everything else on this list - a couple of which make the bile rise in my throat, threatening to spill out and melt the teeth in my head in a torrent of rage and hatred - they're talking about THOMAS JEFFERSON, who as some of you may remember is pretty much the single most important writer in American history, if not its most important thinker.

You know who they're suggesting as someone more important to the formation of the United States as we understand it? Thomas Aquinas! That

I don't

I'm foaming at the mouth God someone help me

Okay, listen. I'm fine with holding that some people pre-1700's are important dudes in the formation of the United States, and I'm also fine with thinking that Jefferson's expressed Deism's runs counter to one's own idea of the Christian founddation of the United States. Fine. Whatever. That neither explains nor justifies revisionist history which pretends that one of the most important thinkers in the history of the continent didn't have the kind of influence that he did!

"Oh Khuutra, you are overreacting. Can't you make a mean-spirited Texas joke and move on, like all the other liberals?"

NO.

First off, it's not that easy to pigeonhole people and calling me a "liberal" is needlessly reductive, you self-absorbed imaginary malcontent!

Secondly, this isn't just about Texas. Any given textbook to be distributed in Texas has to go in front of that board of education for approval! These standards are set about once a decade, and publishers serving Texas have to meet them. Why does that matter?

Texas's import in the scope of the nation's textbooks is enormous. It may end up setting trends throughout the entire country. Up to 80% of the country's school districts may end up with these same textbooks!

Actually, I lied. Here are some links.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_ts1253

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/education/13texas.html

http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/texas-removes-thomas-jefferson-from-teaching-standard/19397481

Here, find more for yourself!

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&source=hp&q=texas+thomas+jefferson&oq=&gs_rfai=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=YBCgS8eVFIuQtgegrcy5BA&sa=X&oi=news_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CA4QsQQwAA

I have to make this topic. It merits discussion and is highly relevant to anyone from the United States.

I'm also tempted to flee this topic, but dammit

Wouldn't be right



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I don't know a huge amount of US history but revisionist history pisses me off.

Not to mention changing words like imperialism to expansionism and capitalism to free market wouldn't be choices I'd make if it were my job.



Next up: Americans beat up Nazi-Germany single-handedly.



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The revising out of Jefferson's importance doesn't even make sense from a conservative standpoint, the man was a titan of state's rights and was the face of limited federal government.

I just don't know



You a social studies teacher?



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this makes no sense...



SaviorX said:
You a social studies teacher?

No. No I am not.



Its funny that they want to make their own students ignorant, but better truths are taught in college. When did capitalism become a bad word? Imperialism is expansionism depending on your viewpoint, but really do we really need to make Americans so blindly patriotic. I think it is better to have a populace that doesn't blindly trust their government. And changing these words is that goal.

The strong influence on the weak is outrages throughout history. So glad I don't live in Texas.



chocoloco said:
Its funny that they want to make their own students ignorant, but better truths are taught in college. When did capitalism become a bad word? Imperialism is expansionism depending on your viewpoint, but really do we really need to make Americans so blindly patriotic. I think it is better to have a populace that doesn't blindly trust their government. And changing these words is that goal.

The strong influence on the weak is outrages throughout history. So glad I don't live in Texas.

You not living in Texas may not even matter!



Khuutra said:
chocoloco said:
Its funny that they want to make their own students ignorant, but better truths are taught in college. When did capitalism become a bad word? Imperialism is expansionism depending on your viewpoint, but really do we really need to make Americans so blindly patriotic. I think it is better to have a populace that doesn't blindly trust their government. And changing these words is that goal.

The strong influence on the weak is outrages throughout history. So glad I don't live in Texas.

You not living in Texas may not even matter!

Yah government manipulation is a constant throughout history.