75% of people don't even know what's in the Bill.

This Bill means nothing now since so many are just blindly talkng shit, but Obama will be doing something no other president has been able to, reform health care. I am so pround of him.

Well, did anyone really expect this to be a right off the bat amazing bill that fixes everything?

It's not a great bill full of amazing ideas, and let's face it, whatever was given out would have had some group of people against it. Changing the status quo always does that.

Instead of whining, bitching, and complaining about this bill we should do something else. We should find ways to refine this, and not just by going to the status quo, but by going forward and by using this bill as a precarious first rung of a ladder that will hopefully and in a good position. This is a first step in health reform, I don't care what anyone says, but health care really needed to be changed in some way and this is exactly what it does. It's far harder to begin that it is to keep on rolling and perfecting, as such this is why no matter what is written in the bill, as long as it's not reaffirming the status quo, it is a good thing.

Instead of whining, let's try to roll with the punches and find a way to reform health care to an acceptable point. Also keep in mind sometimes bills have some of the most unexpected results.

That's about all I have to say about the bill, I won't debate whether it's right or wrong, but just input my 2 cents. In the end Obama may be very unliked by the time his 4 years roll up, however in the grand scheme of things he may be viewed as the one who actually started something great, and still be praised. You never know.

Did you miss where i posted a link to where you can read the bill... and where of people who have bothered to read it even MORE are opposed to it then what Squirrel posted.

The more informed you are about the bill... the more likely you are to be against it.

Seriously, go to Opencongress... read the full bill, and tell me how any of that is supposed to be a good idea and supposed to lower costs rather then rapidly inflate them.

You have a chance to be informed on the issue... or you can do what your accusing other people of doing... blindly talk shit about something you know nothing about.

I will admit I did not read it, but people who have similar opinions have and didn't like it much so I will just take their word for it since I don't have the time to read it now. However I will say what I said before, health care needed to be reformed and the status quo needed to be changed before that cold happen. Think of it as a ball stuck in a rut, it's very hard to get it out of that rut initially, but once it's out it can easily go wherever it wants. I view this buill as that initial push, where it goes from here is still up for debate and for us to see.

So while the bill itself may be bad, in the great scheme of things I believe the bill is absolutely amazing and just what was needed. Not because of its contents, but because of what it will actually, hopefully, do.

Name one program that worked like that in the history of the US government.

That started out horrible, and was shortly reformed into something great.]

When this passes it will be the status quo for decades.  It makes the chance of a single payer system in our lifetimes less likely... not more.

They'll pass this... then won't want to give it the large reforms it needs... because if they do, that means the democrats will have to admit they royally screwed up.

Republicans won't reform it because they'll work to get rid of it.

So it's either going to be worse for the status quo for a long time... or worse then the status quo for a short time, then gotten rid of.

They would of done better to actually reform the system... this isn't even really healthcare reform.  It's subsidies... just throwing money at the problem and hoping it goes away.

I was under the impression that that's how Social Security and Medicare came about. I might be wrong about them. I don't see why such an unpopular bill would not be changed in the future into something better.

I said a bad system made good.  Social Security and Medicare are examples of how things stay bad.

I mean, social security probably won't even exist 50 years... and Medicare is just one of the most ineffective and expensive forms of health insurance out there... and this bill is going to make it worse.

I thought Social Security worked fine up until now that the baby boomers are becoming a large part of the population.

Then what about the Federal Reserve? Seems to work out pretty damn well nowadays, and if I remember correctly it was made by FDR and was pretty bad when it was made.

No, social security has always been slowley breaking down, baby boomers just murdered it.  A system that only works when your population doesn't grow is just a bad system all around.

As for the Fed... they're one of the big reasons the economic crisis was so bad.  Because the fed is beholden to politicians who didn't want tiny  recessions because that hurt votes. 

It has the same problems today it had when it was founded.

Also, by the way... the Fed was established by Woodrow Wilson... not FDR. This is important because a lot of people blame the fed for making the Great depression worse.