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1 red: The Playstation was originly a Nintendo product called Playstation. Nintendo had contracted work with Sony and later Phillips to create an add on for their SNES to compete with the Sega CD which in fact was created in response to the Turbografx CD. Nintendo decided two things one it would be better to design a new system at this stage of the generation and two CD load times were two slow. Sony took that work and the 32 bit risk processor and hired Kaz Hirai who designed the sound card for the SNES and made the Playstation(which came after the Saturn). Phillips took that work licensed some Nintendo IPS and made some of the worst games in history and got burned.

Sony did not innovate with the CD and the addition of the media type was not a revolution but evolutionary act that mimiced the world of the PC.

2. Green I remember the SNES having a modem but the majority of the online gaming element came from Sega in the Saturn and the Sega Channel while the rest of the innovation came from PC land and MS tied it all neatly together. Once again this is all evoltution from LAN parties and Half Life Counter Strike then revolution.

3.Blue-You know most companys release the same game with a different character and tell you its new gameplay when its anything but. People who are critical of the amount Super Mario brothers games (4-3D and 5-2D over 15 and 25 years respectively) anxiously await Final Fantasy XIII and GoW 3, Call of Duty 7, Halo Reach, and so forth. Most franchises don't last as long because they don't change the gameplay that much but Nintendo does.

4.Gray-90% of PS2 software was also shovelware and the rest of it is the fault of Third parties not nintendo complain to them.

The fact is that without the Wii the Natal and Move would not be here. Without the N64 you would not have dual analog or even the shock part of it. Without the SNES sholder buttons and without game and GO (Gumpei Yokei) you would not have a digital pad. Regardless of the forays these companies take they would never would of been hyped to this level. Nintedo didn't invent motion gaming but without their Foray it never would of been implement.

I don't thik it's fair to say that without wii you wouldn't have Natal or move. Without N64 you wouldn't have dual analogue etc.
You would have them, maybe not so soon or in their current forms but someone eventually would have done it.

That's not to take anything away from people who did it first.

Firstly the CD32 came out in 1993 the PC-Engine(turbografx) CD came out in 1987.

Secondly, I think it is fair to say that Sony does not like changing its controllers much. They are using the same form they have for years. MS has shown the same pattern. Nintendo and Sega both routinely altered their controllers through generations.

I also think its fair to say the implementations of analog sticks, Rumble, and Motion controls have all come shortly after Nintendo showed they were popular or effective to the mainstream.

Hence if Nintendo didn't do it you would not be seeing it in todays consoles. Maybe perhaps Sega would of done it.

Does it hurt to fail that hard in one post?

1. Nintendo might have been arrogant in the NES/SNES days, not-so-much in the N64 and GC days
2. Did you mean non-cartirdge based?  I think you meant disc-based console because non-cartidge based consoles were around in the 70's.
3. The Playstation was not the first disc-based gaming system.  Even if you count disc only systems, the 3DO came out a year before the Playstation.
4. I'm not sure what you mean by optical disc storage in a console...
5. Adding an extra analog was a great idea, but that's like saying adding a gig of ram to a machine is innovation.
6. Triggers aren't a new concept and the SNES controller had shoulder buttons first and even then I don't think they were a new concept.
7. For touting DVD and music and such as an innovation, see point #5.

Don't get me wrong, Sony has done some great things for the industry, but they aren't big innovaters by any means.  They're great at taking what others have done and improving that and there's nothing wrong with that.

Xen said: c03n3nj0 said: Oh snap! Sony better come back with something to make it interesting. You can trust Sony to hit back with some serious bashing ;)

Then Nintendo could respond to that bashing by pointing to the scoreboard!

Didn't realise the turbo gfx was that old. Still why no love for the Amiga CD32?

And if Ninty didn't do it someone else would have.

Sure they look similar and there is no doubt that one influenced the other.  Afterall if you are looking to grab lapsed Playstation fans it pays to make the transition as soft as possible. 

However, you can't ignore the fact that part of the reason the controllers are so similar is because the Sony controller follows the form factor of the SNES controller: D-pad position, start and select buttons, 4 diagonally configured face buttons and shoulder buttons.  You could certainly argue that Nintendo got the additional shoulder buttons and analogue stick from Sony but black doesn't belong to anyone and I'm not sure so not going to debate who had prongs first.

People talk about Sony giving lots of choices of gamers, which in the past they have done very well but I think it is something that Nintendo has done better this generation.  They have given us motion control and traditional controller support (in most 1st party games where appropriate) from the start of the generation, they have given casual and hardcore games (the latter could have been better from 3rd parties but not really Nintendo's fault) and they've given us both old and new gaming experiences.  I'm not saying they haven't made mis-steps but Nintendo have certainly tried to provide plenty of choice for consumers this generation.

OT: This is a 3 year old article from a nobody at Nintendo UK talking about the Sixaxis, why was it posted now?

Didn't read the pages upon pages of comments, but I have this to say:

Nintendo has some real balls to say that they're the ONLY one to innovate.

"I don't know what [Sony's] decision making process is but I think if you look back, any innovation that has come in gameplay has come from us."