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BoleroOfFire said:

Lmao!  Thank you.  His comparisons are ridiculous.  People must love being un-free then because NYC is a highly desired place to live.  I personally lived in a smaller, conservative, gun-toting town for a few years and hated it.  Feels good to be back.  NH can keep its arcade.  I've got literally thousands of places/activities/events to choose from if I'm bored. (Of course, playing video games is one of them.)   I wonder if he's ever even set foot outside of NH or if he bases all his claims on the silly propaganda he reads about the "least free places".  

The government also has nuclear weapons.  I guess that means I should have a hydrogen bomb in my family room.  You know, just in case.  

Maybe some people like NYC in part because of the lack of freedom.  In fact, some people on this thread said gun freedom makes them uncomfortable or something similar.  Many people don't like freedom.  Many people are scared of freedom.  Many people want someone else to take care of them or others.  Even some people in NH feel this way.  People may like NYC for other reasons, also.  For the people that live in NYC, the positives likely outweigh the negatives.  The same for the people that live in NH, and so on.

Yes, I've been outside of NH.  I did a story for VGChartz when I lived in TN.  http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=2039  I've also been to dozens of states and several other nations.



 

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Wiped said:

You're right. We definitely need to ensure that as a society, as a people, we do not allow our freedoms to be impinged upon. We can't stand bu and watch 1984 become reality - that much is completely true.

But we musn't make the mistake of thinking that guns are one of the freedoms we should have. That's like saying we should legalise drugs, because them being illegal is hurting our freedoms. They are illegal because they are massively destructive to us as individuals and as a collective society - the same reason, in fact, that guns are illegal in the UK. I don't complain that my rights to murder are impeded by the state's law against it.

Revolt is simply not the answer. The American government spend billions of dollars every year on guns, arms, the army in general. If ever there was a revolt, the people pulling pistols out from under their pillows would change nothing, it would simply make the whole process much more messy. Sadly, if the American government wanted to change to an undemocratic society, there is very little that the people could do, guns or no guns. They'd have to hope that another nation would declare war to put a stop to it (much like how UK and US fought against Hitler's regime in WW2). The idea that guns should be a right simply because it might help a revolt against a government that may become undemocratic is absurd. For one thing, it's far too hypothetical. Let's say it never happens, and that the government more or less keeps within a modicum of power-restraint. Then all the innocent lives lost to the ready availability of guns - such as the little girl of this article - all of the crimes committed, all of the people killed by firearms. would be for nothing. The revolt argument is the one argument with a shred of credence, but it simply isn't strong enough to warrant such old-fashioned and destructive practice such as gun use (and abuse) to freely continue within a supposedly modern society.

Re-legalize drugs?  Absolutely, ending prohibition would be a great step forward.  It would likely mean drastically lower crime and be a big boost for the economy.  However, that stuff isn't as important as every person's fundamental right to own their body.  As an adult, you own your body and as long as you own a substance, you are the only one with the right to decide if you put it in your body or not.  Otherwise, someone else owns you.  Personally, I own my own body.

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hduser said:
How is this even Nintendo related?

It started out somewhat loosely connected to the Wii remote, but several people--including myself--have managed to take it far into other territory.

I think a lot of this has to do with how strongly everyone is reacting to the death of a three year old girl... we all feel some amount of sadness and pain over such a needless thing.  And even though I strongly disagree with some on here regarding whether or not guns are the real issue or simply yet another way that a small child can be killed, I'm encouraged by the strong response from everyone here.  No one wants to see such a tragic thing happen.



FreeTalkLive said:
TX109 said:
@freetalklive: the way you make it sound, i would never want to live in NH. the thought of almost everyone around owning a gun is a little unsettling to me. "safest and freest" or not. im cool with other people owning guns as long as they know what they are doing. but it think maybe we should enact a test or something that proves your smart enough to own a gun...just a thought.....

However, i would much rather live in the U.S. than any other country in the world regardless of the crime. what can i say, i like it here.

I have a friend that is now 16.  When he was 15, he father gave him a gun and my friend started open carrying it on his waist, everywhere he went.  No problem with me :)

Some people just don't want freedom and safety, which is fine.  Other thing which I consider a plus, but most people would think is a negative, most people in NH take their garbage to the town dump, or pay someone else to do it.  This might also scare you.  In NH, the state parks are paid for by user fees (only state like that in the US).  In NH, if you are hiking a mountain and get injuried, and it can be proved that you made mistakes, you get a bill for your rescue.  Or how about this, the Governor only serves two years (unlike 4 years in every other state).  Or the State Senators and State Reps only make $100 in salary a year (plus travel expenses).

However, on the videogame front, the world's largest arcade is located in NH, http://www.edge-online.com/magazine/inside-world%E2%80%99s-largest-arcade  Funspot rocks!


i dont really care what people do with their garbage in NH, nor how you pay for your parks in NH, nor how you handle health care in NH, nor how much time your politicians serve for or how much they get paid in NH, nor how your friend handled a gun in NH. im just saying that everybody owning a gun is a little unsettling to me. i think anybody who doesnt know how to handle a gun properly (i.e. the girl's "parents") shouldnt be allowed to own one. obviously you and your friends know how to handle guns. congrats on that. like i said, im cool with people owning guns....as long as they know what they are doing with them.

also, based on your logic, everyone who chooses not to own a gun or just doesnt have one is afraid of freedom and safety.....really?...... I feel totaly free and safe in my tiny town in Michigan. and guess what, very few people own guns! i dont need a gun to feel free or safe. obviously you do...thats your choice. but please stop trying to say that the onl wayy people can be safe and free is by owning a gun.



                                                                                                  
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FreeTalkLive said:
TX109 said:
@freetalklive: the way you make it sound, i would never want to live in NH. the thought of almost everyone around owning a gun is a little unsettling to me. "safest and freest" or not. im cool with other people owning guns as long as they know what they are doing. but it think maybe we should enact a test or something that proves your smart enough to own a gun...just a thought.....

However, i would much rather live in the U.S. than any other country in the world regardless of the crime. what can i say, i like it here.

I have a friend that is now 16.  When he was 15, he father gave him a gun and my friend started open carrying it on his waist, everywhere he went.  No problem with me :)

Some people just don't want freedom and safety, which is fine.  Other thing which I consider a plus, but most people would think is a negative, most people in NH take their garbage to the town dump, or pay someone else to do it.  This might also scare you.  In NH, the state parks are paid for by user fees (only state like that in the US).  In NH, if you are hiking a mountain and get injuried, and it can be proved that you made mistakes, you get a bill for your rescue.  Or how about this, the Governor only serves two years (unlike 4 years in every other state).  Or the State Senators and State Reps only make $100 in salary a year (plus travel expenses).

However, on the videogame front, the world's largest arcade is located in NH, http://www.edge-online.com/magazine/inside-world%E2%80%99s-largest-arcade  Funspot rocks!


i dont really care what people do with their garbage in NH, nor how you pay for your parks in NH, nor how you handle health care in NH, nor how much time your politicians serve for or how much they get paid in NH, nor how your friend handled a gun in NH. im just saying that everybody owning a gun is a little unsettling to me. i think anybody who doesnt know how to handle a gun properly (i.e. the girl's "parents") shouldnt be allowed to own one. obviously you and your friends know how to handle guns. congrats on that. like i said, im cool with people owning guns....as long as they know what they are doing with them.

also, based on your logic, everyone who chooses not to own a gun or just doesnt have one is afraid of freedom and safety.....really?...... I feel totaly free and safe in my tiny town in Michigan. and guess what, very few people own guns(including me)! i dont need a gun to feel free or safe. obviously you do...thats your choice. but please stop trying to say that the onl wayy people can be safe and free is by owning a gun.

Exactly.  Not everyone is capable of handling the responsibility of owning a gun.  Teenagers can be irrational, impulsive, etc.  I wouldn't have preferred it it everyone in my high school had a gun.  I greatly appreciate the freedoms that I have.  However, I don't think everyone should have a gun.  He makes his argument worse by claiming that we just don't like (or are afraid) of having freedom and safety.  It's hard to take him seriously after insulting other people's intelligence like that.  

@crumas: I merely said that I didn't like living in a place like that.  What's wrong with my statement?  Why don't you call out FreeTalk?  He literally said that my city has less freedom than Communist China.  REALLY???  Only North Korea is "less free" than NYC.  REALLY???  To each their own indeed. 



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crumas2 said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
Killing sprees make me think gun licences should be given only after accurate psychiatric examination, accidents like this make me think a QI test and also a test about responsibility, common sense and civics are necessary.

Not a bad idea.  We license people to drive 3000 pound automobiles, why not make sure they have the mental stability and training to safely handle a firearm?

Very good post.

Thanks. And this doesn't mean forbidding guns like some lobbies try to make believe, I agree that sane and sound people should be allowed, after the necessary training, to own weapons without the enormous difficulties created for examples here in Italy for weapons for self-defence (those for sport and hunting are allowed a lot easier and, judging from the share of family or neighbourhood killings committed with hunting rifles compared to other weapons, without the necessary psychiatric tests). I understand that if even in a relatively small country like mine, people living in the country and far from police stations are at high risk of becoming prey of armed robbers, and in the richest regions it happens far too often, in a vast country like USA the problem can be even more serious. I'm against extremism, total deregulation is dangerous, total prohibitionism is a limitation of freedom and the state couldn't grant the necessary protection to people in some circumstances (and crooks could find weapons anyway, while honest people would remain defenceless), so the reasonable solution is reasonable regulation.



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hduser said:
How is this even Nintendo related?

The fact that the parents are blaming it on the Wii even though it's clearly there idiotic fault.