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ramses01 on 08 March 2010
piratikkio said:
numonex said:
360 Slim + Natal = winning formula for Microsoft. Second place will be guaranteed for the 360 and the sales lead over the PS3 will grow towards the end of 2010.

mmmmm, no.

 

Actually, that prediction is as close to a certainty as you can get.



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joeorc on 08 March 2010
hduser said:
joeorc said:
hduser said:
I'm not sure how the 360 will get slimmer. Lower cooling requirement due to new chips can only go so far. The area of the board is pretty ideal already and would not see a noticeable size difference in the shrinkage. Power supply could stand some shrinkage though.

it may end up like what the % may be near 30 to 40% $ smaller, but It may not be able to be shrunk anymore below that size for quite some time. due to heat issue's

here is the reduction size of the PS3

33% in size and 36% lighter.

would be the most likely reduct for even the xbox360 also, Heat issue's are still going to be a problem even for smaller chip'sesp. when you have 3 of them each running at 3.2 GHz in the xbox360.

those generate quite a bit of heat.

with passive heat pipe cooling and heat sink cooling and with airflow that can work wonder's.

You can't directly compare the PS3 shrinkage to the 360.  They took some features out of the original PS3.  No more card reader and PS2 compatability.  The cooler on the PS3 was big compared to 360.   Once they did the die shrink for PS3 and removed those other features, they could shrink it down.  The power supply got smaller too since it didn't need as much power and so did the cooling equpment.

The 360 was designed to be slim already thats why they went with 2 60mm fans rather than a single larger fan.  The heatsink is already slimmed.  I don't see that much to gain in the slimness department.  In the board layout they simplified the power and capacitor arrangement so I might be able to see some area reduction but not that much.  Since the power supply is external, there's no benefit there.

that's not what i am saying, what i am talking about is the 33% to 36% reduction, I only posted that as a guide line. of course their reduction is not going to look alike, I was just saying the 33% to 36% is what the number for the xbox360 reduction % will or most likely be at.

 



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jarrod on 08 March 2010
Xoj said:
jarrod said:
Darc Requiem said:
dahuman said:
I question their ability to manufacture a stable enough version of a smaller 360 given the current standing on the different failures that the 360 is facing, it should be interesting, though I'm most likely not going to buy a 360 again personally.

Did you question Sony's ability to manufacture a reliable console after both the PS1 (overheating and DRE) and PS2 (DRE) were unreliable. The PS3 is Sony's first reliable console.

1st run PSP-1000s also had the disc ejecting issue (and Sony's shitty dead pixel policy).  Sony actually had class action lawsuits against them for PS1 and PS2 though, *everyone* I knew with a pre-PSone PS1 had them stop playing FMV, had to turn them sideways and eventually they died anyway.  That happened with my 96 PS1, though my launch PS2 luckily never had any issues before I sold it and upgraded to a slim.

so does microsoft now, and much worse state.

newer PSP and and ps3 are nice built, and sony panels are made by samsung. samsung have the shitty pixel policy ,i know i have deal with them with my TV.

my ps2 still works also bought in 2003 =D even after hours and hours 100 hrs+ per game and sometimes even 4 times <3

No, Samsung is just a supplier, PSP is Sony's product.  And at launch, they wouldn't allow returns for dead pixels, and didn't consider it a hardware defect ( dunno if that's changed now).  Nintendo meanwhile would let you get a new DS is you had even 1 dead pixel in your unit.  It really went to show the pretty stark differences between the companies when it comes to consumer support.



mrstickball on 08 March 2010

I wouldn't be surprised if they offered 2 slim configurations when NATAL launches:

A 360 slim without the NATAL hardware for a reduced price ($179 slim arcade)
A 360 slim with NATAL hardware for a standard price ($249 regular)

+ Hard Drive prices



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

lvader on 08 March 2010

Sony went slim too early with the PS3, due to tecnical restraints they where quite restricted with what they could do. MS will have more scope to do something significant. The rebuy rate will be higher as it was with the PS2.



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jarrod on 08 March 2010
mrstickball said:
I wouldn't be surprised if they offered 2 slim configurations when NATAL launches:

A 360 slim without the NATAL hardware for a reduced price ($179 slim arcade)
A 360 slim with NATAL hardware for a standard price ($249 regular)

+ Hard Drive prices

If Microsoft's serious about Natal, they need to bundle it with every slim imo.  $199 360 slim with Natal and a HDD.  And make that the only SKU, follow Wii's lead... they can still sell larger capacity slim HDDs on the side or use them for special/seasonal bundles.  They can also sell Natal on the side for $59 for old 360 owners to upgrade.



Xoj on 08 March 2010
jarrod said:
Xoj said:
jarrod said:
Darc Requiem said:
dahuman said:
I question their ability to manufacture a stable enough version of a smaller 360 given the current standing on the different failures that the 360 is facing, it should be interesting, though I'm most likely not going to buy a 360 again personally.

Did you question Sony's ability to manufacture a reliable console after both the PS1 (overheating and DRE) and PS2 (DRE) were unreliable. The PS3 is Sony's first reliable console.

1st run PSP-1000s also had the disc ejecting issue (and Sony's shitty dead pixel policy).  Sony actually had class action lawsuits against them for PS1 and PS2 though, *everyone* I knew with a pre-PSone PS1 had them stop playing FMV, had to turn them sideways and eventually they died anyway.  That happened with my 96 PS1, though my launch PS2 luckily never had any issues before I sold it and upgraded to a slim.

so does microsoft now, and much worse state.

newer PSP and and ps3 are nice built, and sony panels are made by samsung. samsung have the shitty pixel policy ,i know i have deal with them with my TV.

my ps2 still works also bought in 2003 =D even after hours and hours 100 hrs+ per game and sometimes even 4 times <3

No, Samsung is just a supplier, PSP is Sony's product.  And at launch, they wouldn't allow returns for dead pixels, and didn't consider it a hardware defect ( dunno if that's changed now).  Nintendo meanwhile would let you get a new DS is you had even 1 dead pixel in your unit.  It really went to show the pretty stark differences between the companies when it comes to consumer support.

well for their TVs it's 3 pixels, and thats not quality, u said yourself consumer support... it's a built quality defect and it was it's samsung (which it's much worse than sony here).

you know there certain iso 9000 (forgot number so i will just use quality one) about dead pixels most manufacturers it's 3-5 dead pixels.

i have 5 on my vaio notebook they exchange the whole screen in less than a week so no problems with sony.



Goddbless on 08 March 2010

I know I would be buying a 360 Slim right away.



Love the product, not the company. They love your money, not you.

-TheRealMafoo

jarrod on 08 March 2010
Xoj said:
jarrod said:
Xoj said:
jarrod said:
Darc Requiem said:
dahuman said:
I question their ability to manufacture a stable enough version of a smaller 360 given the current standing on the different failures that the 360 is facing, it should be interesting, though I'm most likely not going to buy a 360 again personally.

Did you question Sony's ability to manufacture a reliable console after both the PS1 (overheating and DRE) and PS2 (DRE) were unreliable. The PS3 is Sony's first reliable console.

1st run PSP-1000s also had the disc ejecting issue (and Sony's shitty dead pixel policy).  Sony actually had class action lawsuits against them for PS1 and PS2 though, *everyone* I knew with a pre-PSone PS1 had them stop playing FMV, had to turn them sideways and eventually they died anyway.  That happened with my 96 PS1, though my launch PS2 luckily never had any issues before I sold it and upgraded to a slim.

so does microsoft now, and much worse state.

newer PSP and and ps3 are nice built, and sony panels are made by samsung. samsung have the shitty pixel policy ,i know i have deal with them with my TV.

my ps2 still works also bought in 2003 =D even after hours and hours 100 hrs+ per game and sometimes even 4 times <3

No, Samsung is just a supplier, PSP is Sony's product.  And at launch, they wouldn't allow returns for dead pixels, and didn't consider it a hardware defect ( dunno if that's changed now).  Nintendo meanwhile would let you get a new DS is you had even 1 dead pixel in your unit.  It really went to show the pretty stark differences between the companies when it comes to consumer support.

well for their TVs it's 3 pixels, and thats not quality, u said yourself consumer support... it's a built quality defect and it was it's samsung (which it's much worse than sony here).

you know there certain iso 9000 (forgot number so i will just use quality one) about dead pixels most manufacturers it's 3-5 dead pixels.

i have 5 on my vaio notebook they exchange the whole screen in less than a week so no problems with sony.

Dead pixels are going to be inherent in the manufacturing process no matter who makes them, at the end of the day Sony's the one who allowed screens with a certain number of dead pixels to go to market and refused to replace those units for unsatisfied customers.  I see that as a "quality" issue when their major competitor (Nintendo) wasn't doing the same.



Xoj on 08 March 2010
jarrod said:
Xoj said:
jarrod said:
Xoj said:
jarrod said:
Darc Requiem said:
dahuman said:
I question their ability to manufacture a stable enough version of a smaller 360 given the current standing on the different failures that the 360 is facing, it should be interesting, though I'm most likely not going to buy a 360 again personally.

Did you question Sony's ability to manufacture a reliable console after both the PS1 (overheating and DRE) and PS2 (DRE) were unreliable. The PS3 is Sony's first reliable console.

1st run PSP-1000s also had the disc ejecting issue (and Sony's shitty dead pixel policy).  Sony actually had class action lawsuits against them for PS1 and PS2 though, *everyone* I knew with a pre-PSone PS1 had them stop playing FMV, had to turn them sideways and eventually they died anyway.  That happened with my 96 PS1, though my launch PS2 luckily never had any issues before I sold it and upgraded to a slim.

so does microsoft now, and much worse state.

newer PSP and and ps3 are nice built, and sony panels are made by samsung. samsung have the shitty pixel policy ,i know i have deal with them with my TV.

my ps2 still works also bought in 2003 =D even after hours and hours 100 hrs+ per game and sometimes even 4 times <3

No, Samsung is just a supplier, PSP is Sony's product.  And at launch, they wouldn't allow returns for dead pixels, and didn't consider it a hardware defect ( dunno if that's changed now).  Nintendo meanwhile would let you get a new DS is you had even 1 dead pixel in your unit.  It really went to show the pretty stark differences between the companies when it comes to consumer support.

well for their TVs it's 3 pixels, and thats not quality, u said yourself consumer support... it's a built quality defect and it was it's samsung (which it's much worse than sony here).

you know there certain iso 9000 (forgot number so i will just use quality one) about dead pixels most manufacturers it's 3-5 dead pixels.

i have 5 on my vaio notebook they exchange the whole screen in less than a week so no problems with sony.

Dead pixels are going to be inherent in the manufacturing process no matter who makes them, at the end of the day Sony's the one who allowed screens with a certain number of dead pixels to go to market and refused to replace those units for unsatisfied customers.  I see that as a "quality" issue when their major competitor (Nintendo) wasn't doing the same.

that's why there are ISO, they don't allow, dead pixels appear even after use, and they will replace now if they go by the ISO.

and thats 3-5+ dead pixels, if they didn't get it fixed that was the problem.

and this is true FOR almost all top LCD panel manufacters, LG ,Phillips, Panasonic, Sony and Samsung. etc