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Forums - Sales Discussion - Xbox 360 Slim on the way? Steve Balmer talk

ramses01 said:
jarrod said:
They haven't used the 65nm single die Valhalla chipset yet... guess it's for the slim?


At a minimum, MS will have a single 45 nm die.  I think it will probably be a 32 nm die.

What they should do is increase the clock speed of all parts 20-40%, increase the eDRAM to enough for a single 720P frame to fit, and bump the ram to 1GB.  Taken together that should give a pretty good boost to the system performance with essentially no cost.

 

 

The 360 is a console, not a computer, even if they up the specs, devs won't take advantage of it since they'd have to increase production cost yet again to make a game that'd work on both setups at a fixed presentation since there is no slider for console display options.



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that will likely reduce the price of bundles 360+Natal



dahuman said:

Yes, but I don't have to deal with XBL on that thing which is a plus, I have no issues with the 360 itself tbh, it's XBL that I hate. The most durable and compact console is still Nintendo built and they have the best overall quality imo and I trust them the most out of the big 3.

Ahh, I hate PSN, so I can see why anyone would hate Xbox Live. Its a matter of taste really. Nintendo are the only company who have consistanty released reliable consoles and reliable handhelds and that reliability has gone beyond simply not breaking under the best of conditions as their handhelds have to have been stress tested to take a fair pounding as well from what I remember. You're more likely it seems to scratch the screen to hell than to kill a gameboy electronically.



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joeorc said:
hduser said:
I'm not sure how the 360 will get slimmer. Lower cooling requirement due to new chips can only go so far. The area of the board is pretty ideal already and would not see a noticeable size difference in the shrinkage. Power supply could stand some shrinkage though.

it may end up like what the % may be near 30 to 40% $ smaller, but It may not be able to be shrunk anymore below that size for quite some time. due to heat issue's

here is the reduction size of the PS3

33% in size and 36% lighter.

would be the most likely reduct for even the xbox360 also, Heat issue's are still going to be a problem even for smaller chip'sesp. when you have 3 of them each running at 3.2 GHz in the xbox360.

those generate quite a bit of heat.

with passive heat pipe cooling and heat sink cooling and with airflow that can work wonder's.

You can't directly compare the PS3 shrinkage to the 360.  They took some features out of the original PS3.  No more card reader and PS2 compatability.  The cooler on the PS3 was big compared to 360.   Once they did the die shrink for PS3 and removed those other features, they could shrink it down.  The power supply got smaller too since it didn't need as much power and so did the cooling equpment.

The 360 was designed to be slim already thats why they went with 2 60mm fans rather than a single larger fan.  The heatsink is already slimmed.  I don't see that much to gain in the slimness department.  In the board layout they simplified the power and capacitor arrangement so I might be able to see some area reduction but not that much.  Since the power supply is external, there's no benefit there.



jarrod said:
Darc Requiem said:
dahuman said:
I question their ability to manufacture a stable enough version of a smaller 360 given the current standing on the different failures that the 360 is facing, it should be interesting, though I'm most likely not going to buy a 360 again personally.

Did you question Sony's ability to manufacture a reliable console after both the PS1 (overheating and DRE) and PS2 (DRE) were unreliable. The PS3 is Sony's first reliable console.

1st run PSP-1000s also had the disc ejecting issue (and Sony's shitty dead pixel policy).  Sony actually had class action lawsuits against them for PS1 and PS2 though, *everyone* I knew with a pre-PSone PS1 had them stop playing FMV, had to turn them sideways and eventually they died anyway.  That happened with my 96 PS1, though my launch PS2 luckily never had any issues before I sold it and upgraded to a slim.

so does microsoft now, and much worse state.

newer PSP and and ps3 are nice built, and sony panels are made by samsung. samsung have the shitty pixel policy ,i know i have deal with them with my TV.

my ps2 still works also bought in 2003 =D even after hours and hours 100 hrs+ per game and sometimes even 4 times <3



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Ldn.se said:
If they would want to release 360Slim in autumn, they should have a prototype by now. It would be very risky to sell a product without testing it for long enough to make sure is 100% reliable.

Was that intended to sarcastic?

Think if they do release a slim version they should think of a different name, because the slim makes you think of the PS3 and the '360 Slim' just doesnt sound right. 'Xbox 360 Xtreme' to me at least is sounds better.



it will be great success for microsoft if they will bring natal along with 360 slim along with price cut.then i think sony can only dream to beat 360 in sales wise. but i l be really happy and will definitely buy 360 slim.



dahuman said:
I question their ability to manufacture a stable enough version of a smaller 360 given the current standing on the different failures that the 360 is facing, it should be interesting, though I'm most likely not going to buy a 360 again personally.

True i never thought of that, personally i think a slim xbox is just dumb, but if it can increase their WW sales then whatever.



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numonex said:
360 Slim + Natal = winning formula for Microsoft. Second place will be guaranteed for the 360 and the sales lead over the PS3 will grow towards the end of 2010.

mmmmm, no.



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Twistedpixel said:
dahuman said:

Yes, but I don't have to deal with XBL on that thing which is a plus, I have no issues with the 360 itself tbh, it's XBL that I hate. The most durable and compact console is still Nintendo built and they have the best overall quality imo and I trust them the most out of the big 3.

Ahh, I hate PSN, so I can see why anyone would hate Xbox Live. Its a matter of taste really. Nintendo are the only company who have consistanty released reliable consoles and reliable handhelds and that reliability has gone beyond simply not breaking under the best of conditions as their handhelds have to have been stress tested to take a fair pounding as well from what I remember. You're more likely it seems to scratch the screen to hell than to kill a gameboy electronically.

I dont like PSN much better either, the only good thing about it is that it costs nothing and I can get to things fast with XMB. PC is superme  with online and that won't change. It's the thought of having to pay for service like XBL or maybe even PSN disgusts me with such limited features when I'm used to the free openess of the PC.

And yeah, Nintendo shit=built to last=amazing.