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What I find amusing is if they make an article critical towards the wii, then it's obviously trolling for hits. But if they write an article that praises the wii, then it's just them apologizing and begging for forgiveness. Can't anybody take articles at face value anymore? Why is there always some devious subtext to articles? Could it be possible, maybe just possible, that Nintendo has made some really dumb decisions this generation that have alienated a large portion of the gaming populous and IGN called them on it, and Nintendo is ramping up to have a great year and they are praising them for it? Does it all have to be a conspiracy theory of fanboys and trolls?

Dumb question. Yes, yes it does. I forgot I was on the internet.



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The_vagabond7 said:
What I find amusing is if they make an article critical towards the wii, then it's obviously trolling for hits. But if they write an article that praises the wii, then it's just them apologizing and begging for forgiveness. Can't anybody take articles at face value anymore? Why is there always some devious subtext to articles? Could it be possible, maybe just possible, that Nintendo has made some really dumb decisions this generation that have alienated a large portion of the gaming populous and IGN called them on it, and Nintendo is ramping up to have a great year and they are praising them for it? Does it all have to be a conspiracy theory of fanboys and trolls?

Dumb question. Yes, yes it does. I forgot I was on the internet.

The thing is, they never went about commenting about Nintendo's flaws in the more professional way that you imply they should have. I know Nintendo has messed up MANY times throughout this gen (I ALWAYS said they never capitalize) but I didn't grab a pile of dirt and throw it on the companies name like IGN did. How are people supposed to react when not even 3 months ago, IGN was claiming Nintendo death knells, but now the Wii is back like cooked crack?

 

IGN even flat out stated themselves they only created the podcast content and articles to get hits. They said it point blank. I could forgive them if they did not know these games were coming, but last I checked....nearly all of the games they mentioned as "hardcore resurgence" have been known about for months, before their previous trollling spree.



Leatherhat on July 6th, 2012 3pm. Vita sales:"3 mil for COD 2 mil for AC. Maybe more. "  thehusbo on July 6th, 2012 5pm. Vita sales:"5 mil for COD 2.2 mil for AC."

SaviorX said:
The_vagabond7 said:
What I find amusing is if they make an article critical towards the wii, then it's obviously trolling for hits. But if they write an article that praises the wii, then it's just them apologizing and begging for forgiveness. Can't anybody take articles at face value anymore? Why is there always some devious subtext to articles? Could it be possible, maybe just possible, that Nintendo has made some really dumb decisions this generation that have alienated a large portion of the gaming populous and IGN called them on it, and Nintendo is ramping up to have a great year and they are praising them for it? Does it all have to be a conspiracy theory of fanboys and trolls?

Dumb question. Yes, yes it does. I forgot I was on the internet.

The thing is, they never went about commenting about Nintendo's flaws in the more professional way that you imply they should have. I know Nintendo has messed up MANY times throughout this gen (I ALWAYS said they never capitalize) but I didn't grab a pile of dirt and throw it on the companies name like IGN did. How are people supposed to react when not even 3 months ago, IGN was claiming Nintendo death knells, but now the Wii is back like cooked crack?

 

IGN even flat out stated themselves they only created the podcast content and articles to get hits. They said it point blank. I could forgive them if they did not know these games were coming, but last I checked....nearly all of the games they mentioned as "hardcore resurgence" have been known about for months, before their previous trollling spree.

So the big complaint it "Well yeah, they were right, but they didn't need to be so mean about it!"


And I listen to all of their podcasts, any time they said "point blank" that they were trolling the wii just to get hits, they said it not in earnestness but to mock the group of highly vocal readers that they rightfully show open disdain for. Apparently years on internet forums has broken people's audial sarcasm detectors.



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The_vagabond7 said:
What I find amusing is if they make an article critical towards the wii, then it's obviously trolling for hits. But if they write an article that praises the wii, then it's just them apologizing and begging for forgiveness. Can't anybody take articles at face value anymore? Why is there always some devious subtext to articles? Could it be possible, maybe just possible, that Nintendo has made some really dumb decisions this generation that have alienated a large portion of the gaming populous and IGN called them on it, and Nintendo is ramping up to have a great year and they are praising them for it? Does it all have to be a conspiracy theory of fanboys and trolls?

Dumb question. Yes, yes it does. I forgot I was on the internet.

I see what ur trying to say... thing is, like i was trying to say on an earlier post; Nintendos line-up has not changed, when Matt wrote the first "Nintendo is lazy" article, he knew about all of this games.... now 2 months later after playing a couple of demos hes all excited about nintendo!! This just makes This editor and the company he represents look like they were trolling back then....

I mean c'mon let the fans troll.... Not the editors....  



Yet somehow I'm not surprised, its business. They'll do anything to get attention to their site.



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The_vagabond7 said:
SaviorX said:
The_vagabond7 said:
What I find amusing is if they make an article critical towards the wii, then it's obviously trolling for hits. But if they write an article that praises the wii, then it's just them apologizing and begging for forgiveness. Can't anybody take articles at face value anymore? Why is there always some devious subtext to articles? Could it be possible, maybe just possible, that Nintendo has made some really dumb decisions this generation that have alienated a large portion of the gaming populous and IGN called them on it, and Nintendo is ramping up to have a great year and they are praising them for it? Does it all have to be a conspiracy theory of fanboys and trolls?

Dumb question. Yes, yes it does. I forgot I was on the internet.

The thing is, they never went about commenting about Nintendo's flaws in the more professional way that you imply they should have. I know Nintendo has messed up MANY times throughout this gen (I ALWAYS said they never capitalize) but I didn't grab a pile of dirt and throw it on the companies name like IGN did. How are people supposed to react when not even 3 months ago, IGN was claiming Nintendo death knells, but now the Wii is back like cooked crack?

 

IGN even flat out stated themselves they only created the podcast content and articles to get hits. They said it point blank. I could forgive them if they did not know these games were coming, but last I checked....nearly all of the games they mentioned as "hardcore resurgence" have been known about for months, before their previous trollling spree.

So the big complaint it "Well yeah, they were right, but they didn't need to be so mean about it!"


And I listen to all of their podcasts, any time they said "point blank" that they were trolling the wii just to get hits, they said it not in earnestness but to mock the group of highly vocal readers that they rightfully show open disdain for. Apparently years on internet forums has broken people's audial sarcasm detectors.

With the backlash they received those few days around the release of the podcast and articles, it looked like their sarcasm detectors needed a battery change. People can acknowledge the fact Nintendo has made errors, but the way these flaws were presented just was not cool. They might not have gotten as many hits if they treated it like a college-level retrospective, but at least their intentions would have been clearer. Couple that with their staffing arrangements and we got confused and disgruntled readers.



Leatherhat on July 6th, 2012 3pm. Vita sales:"3 mil for COD 2 mil for AC. Maybe more. "  thehusbo on July 6th, 2012 5pm. Vita sales:"5 mil for COD 2.2 mil for AC."

The_vagabond7 said:
What I find amusing is if they make an article critical towards the wii, then it's obviously trolling for hits. But if they write an article that praises the wii, then it's just them apologizing and begging for forgiveness. Can't anybody take articles at face value anymore? Why is there always some devious subtext to articles? Could it be possible, maybe just possible, that Nintendo has made some really dumb decisions this generation that have alienated a large portion of the gaming populous and IGN called them on it, and Nintendo is ramping up to have a great year and they are praising them for it? Does it all have to be a conspiracy theory of fanboys and trolls?

Dumb question. Yes, yes it does. I forgot I was on the internet.

Could it  be that even if it were the case that Nintendo made mistakes, nobody wants to hear IGN bitch about it? There is a difference between stating an opinion, and treating yourself as an elite who knows more than consumers who like the products Nintendo has been giving out. These articles are meant to target Nintendo fans, and because of that  it should be realized that people are going to complain about it if somebody is targeting the source of their fandom with a negative rather than critical tone . Why does it even matter? If people are going to complain, on either ends, then let them. As for my opinion, I think the gaming media is pretty much non-representative of my opinion, and because of that I put very little credit into them for anything; either it be Wii, PS3, 360, DS, PSP, or PC. 



polingolingo said:
The_vagabond7 said:
What I find amusing is if they make an article critical towards the wii, then it's obviously trolling for hits. But if they write an article that praises the wii, then it's just them apologizing and begging for forgiveness. Can't anybody take articles at face value anymore? Why is there always some devious subtext to articles? Could it be possible, maybe just possible, that Nintendo has made some really dumb decisions this generation that have alienated a large portion of the gaming populous and IGN called them on it, and Nintendo is ramping up to have a great year and they are praising them for it? Does it all have to be a conspiracy theory of fanboys and trolls?

Dumb question. Yes, yes it does. I forgot I was on the internet.

I see what ur trying to say... thing is, like i was trying to say on an earlier post; Nintendos line-up has not changed, when Matt wrote the first "Nintendo is lazy" article, he knew about all of this games.... now 2 months later after playing a couple of demos hes all excited about nintendo!! This just makes This editor and the company he represents look like they were trolling back then....

I mean c'mon let the fans troll.... Not the editors....  

The two really don't contradict. The article "Nintendo is lazy" wasn't complaining that there weren't good games coming out next year, it was complaining about minimal effort cash ins that lack what many would consider standard features today, and the fans that support and defend them.

This seems to be how fans interpret these articles, which would explain why all of the contempt. If IGN says "Wii has a terrible online infrastructure, especially compared to the PS3 and 360." This gets interpreted as "Teh wii is D00m3d!!! Sell it now anb buy a MICR0SHOFT TREE SIXTY!!!" if they say "NSMBwii would be a 20 dollar downloadable title if it was on a different system, and lacks obvious key features and effort" this is interpreted as "NinLAME-O fails a making games, and they are teh suck and that's why teh PS3 will kill it shortsly!!:" So when they say anything remotely positive about Nintendo, it is seen as being hypocritical, and a ploy to soothe the hurt feelings and anger of wii fans.


A critisism of a particular aspect of the wii, or calling Nintendo on a sorry move or decision does not imply that "teh wii is d00m3d" or "teh wii is suxors". Fans have a hard time telling the difference between valid critisism from over arching hate, and take it very personally and emotionally. I read all of the "trolling" articles, and as a wii owner and wii lover at no point did I think that their critisisms were in poor taste or filled with fanboy vitriole. I thought "yes, the things you are saying are obvious and true, and this will piss off alot of fanboys."



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sc94597 said:
The_vagabond7 said:
What I find amusing is if they make an article critical towards the wii, then it's obviously trolling for hits. But if they write an article that praises the wii, then it's just them apologizing and begging for forgiveness. Can't anybody take articles at face value anymore? Why is there always some devious subtext to articles? Could it be possible, maybe just possible, that Nintendo has made some really dumb decisions this generation that have alienated a large portion of the gaming populous and IGN called them on it, and Nintendo is ramping up to have a great year and they are praising them for it? Does it all have to be a conspiracy theory of fanboys and trolls?

Dumb question. Yes, yes it does. I forgot I was on the internet.

Could it  be that even if it were the case that Nintendo made mistakes, nobody wants to hear IGN bitch about it? There is a difference between stating an opinion, and treating yourself as an elite who knows more than consumers who like the products Nintendo has been giving out. These articles are meant to target Nintendo fans, and because of that  it should be realized that people are going to complain about it if somebody is targeting the source of their fandom with a negative rather than critical tone . Why does it even matter? If people are going to complain, on either ends, then let them. As for my opinion, I think the gaming media is pretty much non-representative of my opinion, and because of that I put very little credit into them for anything; either it be Wii, PS3, 360, DS, PSP, or PC. 

 

So then the desire is for media outlets to be NOTHING but extensions of publisher's PR representatives? Who wants to hear opinions of 1up, IGN, Giantbomb or the like? Just deliver the press releases and be done with it.



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