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Do you accept Evolution? Why or Why not

Yes 91 82.73%
 
No 4 3.64%
 
No, but accept Microevolution 12 10.91%
 
Not sure 3 2.73%
 
Total:110
FootballFan said:
sguy78 said:
I was just Baptized and Confirmed Catholic this past Easter, and nothing I was taught indicated that the Church could not agree with evolution; just that evolution has been done under the direction of God. Adam and Eve were not taught to me as two actual people, but as a representation of early mankind's falling from God's given perfection. People want to question why God does this or that. That's part of the point of God being God. We are not Gods, and cannot possibly be able to comprehend even a sliver of his consciousness.

Ok. So does that mean if God conducts evolution, he has developed homosexuality?

 

Can of worms. Impossible life question towards religion in regards to evolution.

Well, what i think sguy is saying that God created the earth and natural selection did it's thing, but God at the same time ensured human evolution. This is known as Theistic Evolution. Most Catholics fall under this category, and I am fine with that belief because there is no evidence against or for God's existence so faith is fine in that category. However, there is plenty of evidence against creationism so believing in that is ignorance, which I am happy to show the evidence for evolution.



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sguy78 said:
FootballFan said:
sguy78 said:
I was just Baptized and Confirmed Catholic this past Easter, and nothing I was taught indicated that the Church could not agree with evolution; just that evolution has been done under the direction of God. Adam and Eve were not taught to me as two actual people, but as a representation of early mankind's falling from God's given perfection. People want to question why God does this or that. That's part of the point of God being God. We are not Gods, and cannot possibly be able to comprehend even a sliver of his consciousness.

Ok. So does that mean if God conducts evolution, he has developed homosexuality?

 

Can of worms. Impossible life question towards religion in regards to evolution.

Free Will. Men can choose to have sex with men. Again, I can't claim to have all the answers, but such a perfect universe seems so hard to have come together by chance.


Very true.

Although clearly its not perfect. Especially with all these natural disasters that occur on a monthly basis.

Edit: Also i would argue that its a change in genes that causes people to be homosexual. Its not a choice that you make overnight. Its not really free will as i think its natural rather than choice. I think its something that you are born with, the attraction to the same sex.



RockSmith372 said:
FootballFan said:
sguy78 said:
I was just Baptized and Confirmed Catholic this past Easter, and nothing I was taught indicated that the Church could not agree with evolution; just that evolution has been done under the direction of God. Adam and Eve were not taught to me as two actual people, but as a representation of early mankind's falling from God's given perfection. People want to question why God does this or that. That's part of the point of God being God. We are not Gods, and cannot possibly be able to comprehend even a sliver of his consciousness.

Ok. So does that mean if God conducts evolution, he has developed homosexuality?

 

Can of worms. Impossible life question towards religion in regards to evolution.

Well, what i think sguy is saying that God created the earth and natural selection did it's thing, but God at the same time ensured human evolution. This is known as Theistic Evolution. Most Catholics fall under this category, and I am fine with that belief because there is no evidence against or for God's existence so faith is fine in that category. However, there is plenty of evidence against creationism so believing in that is ignorance, which I am happy to show the evidence for evolution.

I still believe that God always knew what species would develop into what though. I don't think any species existed without his will. I don't think everyone necessarily believes that the Earth was created in six of our days either. Much of the First Testament was written not to be a factual dictionary, but a means to get the Hebrew people to understand the word of God, and their relationship with said.



FootballFan said:
sguy78 said:
FootballFan said:
sguy78 said:
I was just Baptized and Confirmed Catholic this past Easter, and nothing I was taught indicated that the Church could not agree with evolution; just that evolution has been done under the direction of God. Adam and Eve were not taught to me as two actual people, but as a representation of early mankind's falling from God's given perfection. People want to question why God does this or that. That's part of the point of God being God. We are not Gods, and cannot possibly be able to comprehend even a sliver of his consciousness.

Ok. So does that mean if God conducts evolution, he has developed homosexuality?

 

Can of worms. Impossible life question towards religion in regards to evolution.

Free Will. Men can choose to have sex with men. Again, I can't claim to have all the answers, but such a perfect universe seems so hard to have come together by chance.


Very true.

Although clearly its not perfect. Especially with all these natural disasters that occur on a monthly basis.

Edit: Also i would argue that its a change in genes that causes people to be homosexual. Its not a choice that you make overnight. Its not really free will as i think its natural rather than choice. I think its something that you are born with, the attraction to the same sex.

The forest always grows back greener after the forest fire, right? Disasters are cyclical, and ultimately part of the way nature replenishes or changes itself. Energy cannot be destroyed, just changed.



sguy78 said:
FootballFan said:
sguy78 said:
FootballFan said:
sguy78 said:
I was just Baptized and Confirmed Catholic this past Easter, and nothing I was taught indicated that the Church could not agree with evolution; just that evolution has been done under the direction of God. Adam and Eve were not taught to me as two actual people, but as a representation of early mankind's falling from God's given perfection. People want to question why God does this or that. That's part of the point of God being God. We are not Gods, and cannot possibly be able to comprehend even a sliver of his consciousness.

Ok. So does that mean if God conducts evolution, he has developed homosexuality?

 

Can of worms. Impossible life question towards religion in regards to evolution.

Free Will. Men can choose to have sex with men. Again, I can't claim to have all the answers, but such a perfect universe seems so hard to have come together by chance.


Very true.

Although clearly its not perfect. Especially with all these natural disasters that occur on a monthly basis.

Edit: Also i would argue that its a change in genes that causes people to be homosexual. Its not a choice that you make overnight. Its not really free will as i think its natural rather than choice. I think its something that you are born with, the attraction to the same sex.

The forest always grows back greener after the forest fire, right? Disasters are cyclical, and ultimately part of the way nature replenishes or changes itself. Energy cannot be destroyed, just changed.

TBH i agree with your first statement in two ways:

A.) Haiti for example will grow back to being "richer" than it ever was before the earthquake.

B.) In the literal sense aswell.

Natural population stabalisation? Controversial.

Also why is it these "strikes" usually impacting on the Less economically developed countries?



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FootballFan said:
sguy78 said:
FootballFan said:
sguy78 said:
I was just Baptized and Confirmed Catholic this past Easter, and nothing I was taught indicated that the Church could not agree with evolution; just that evolution has been done under the direction of God. Adam and Eve were not taught to me as two actual people, but as a representation of early mankind's falling from God's given perfection. People want to question why God does this or that. That's part of the point of God being God. We are not Gods, and cannot possibly be able to comprehend even a sliver of his consciousness.

Ok. So does that mean if God conducts evolution, he has developed homosexuality?

 

Can of worms. Impossible life question towards religion in regards to evolution.

Free Will. Men can choose to have sex with men. Again, I can't claim to have all the answers, but such a perfect universe seems so hard to have come together by chance.


Very true.

Although clearly its not perfect. Especially with all these natural disasters that occur on a monthly basis.

Edit: Also i would argue that its a change in genes that causes people to be homosexual. Its not a choice that you make overnight. Its not really free will as i think its natural rather than choice. I think its something that you are born with, the attraction to the same sex.

In general, there is no absolute gene that triggers homosexuality, but there are genes that emit your diversity in your sexual tastes, which increases the chance of being a homosexual. The main reason why most people are not gay is generally those who are gay are less likely to pass on their genes to the next generation. However, since homosexuality has been noted as an "abomination" until even the last few years, those genes have been passed on because most gay men ended up marrying a woman just because of culture so their genes did pass on. I personally believe that homosexuality is fine, but it is hard to pass on your genes to the next generation if you don't have biological children. If that doesn't concern a gay person, then that's fine by me and have a good life!



FootballFan said:
sguy78 said:
FootballFan said:
sguy78 said:
FootballFan said:
sguy78 said:
I was just Baptized and Confirmed Catholic this past Easter, and nothing I was taught indicated that the Church could not agree with evolution; just that evolution has been done under the direction of God. Adam and Eve were not taught to me as two actual people, but as a representation of early mankind's falling from God's given perfection. People want to question why God does this or that. That's part of the point of God being God. We are not Gods, and cannot possibly be able to comprehend even a sliver of his consciousness.

Ok. So does that mean if God conducts evolution, he has developed homosexuality?

 

Can of worms. Impossible life question towards religion in regards to evolution.

Free Will. Men can choose to have sex with men. Again, I can't claim to have all the answers, but such a perfect universe seems so hard to have come together by chance.


Very true.

Although clearly its not perfect. Especially with all these natural disasters that occur on a monthly basis.

Edit: Also i would argue that its a change in genes that causes people to be homosexual. Its not a choice that you make overnight. Its not really free will as i think its natural rather than choice. I think its something that you are born with, the attraction to the same sex.

The forest always grows back greener after the forest fire, right? Disasters are cyclical, and ultimately part of the way nature replenishes or changes itself. Energy cannot be destroyed, just changed.

TBH i agree with your first statement in two ways:

A.) Haiti for example will grow back to being "richer" than it ever was before the earthquake.

B.) In the literal sense aswell.

Natural population stabalisation? Controversial.

Also why is it these "strikes" usually impacting on the Less economically developed countries?

Not to sound entirely like an asshole, but buildings with no codes fall like a deck of cards.



I don't want to go too off topic, but going back to the homosexuality point. My problem with this idea has always been that if God knows everything, the past, present, and future, then he knows exactly who will commit sins and when they will do it. He knows everything, he knows that we will decide to sin in the future.



 

 

im_sneaky said:
I don't want to go too off topic, but going back to the homosexuality point. My problem with this idea has always been that if God knows everything, the past, present, and future, then he knows exactly who will commit sins and when they will do it. He knows everything, he knows that we will decide to sin in the future.

I'm not sure what you're getting at. God knowing whether you will sin or not doesn't take away from the fact that the individual has chosen to sin.



This isn't global warming. This is evolution. All the evidence is clear and one way. It's pretty cut and dry.

Is there anyone who doesn't believe in evolution for nonreligious/spiritual reasons?



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