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fighter on 21 October 2012
Turkish said:
fighter said:
considering the failure rate of PS2 (lol) vs how reliable the DS is (those things just don't die) I would say that the installl base of DS is already bigger than that of the PS2

anyway - big props to OP - best failed thread in a while


You don't know the failure rate of the PS2. And failed thread? I would say OP put everyone who doubted him in their place.

no stats indeed but from collective experience ps2 is known to be a very unreliable machine

failed thread indeed as DS is a console and there was no groud for OP's position



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Turkish on 21 October 2012
fighter said:
Turkish said:
fighter said:
considering the failure rate of PS2 (lol) vs how reliable the DS is (those things just don't die) I would say that the installl base of DS is already bigger than that of the PS2

anyway - big props to OP - best failed thread in a while


You don't know the failure rate of the PS2. And failed thread? I would say OP put everyone who doubted him in their place.

no stats indeed but from collective experience ps2 is known to be a very unreliable machine

failed thread indeed as DS is a console and there was no groud for OP's position


Your collective experience is not representative for 156 million sold PS2s. Its indeed known that launch PS2s had DRE's, but that was limited to only launch models. PS2 is still the most sold console, OP is still right, try again in the next gen.



oniyide on 21 October 2012
Immortal said:
runqvist said:

There were a lot of people predicting this with good basis. There are some general guidelines for countering their points, here is some examples with claim and the reply it received. Just generalisations, do note that.

 

Casuals might lose interest in Wii  - "lol wii is a fad, hardcore hater"

Even though wii is the market leader, it lacks of third party games - "there are plenty of upcoming great games -> wait for the game X -> who needs third party games anyway" I could go on and on about this part, which happens to be the most important one.

As hd adoption rate gets higher, hd consoles will sell more. Wii is not powerful enough.  - " Wii has proven that people don't care about graphics"

Wii has a terrible online system - "Who needs online, only hardcorez"

 

When it comes to third party games, people should have been able to see that the wii is not going to get the same kind of third party support as the ps2. It just lacked the horsepower for multiplats and did not have big enough market share to do it alone. Without the games, it was clear that Wii was not going to keep on selling like it did.

 

 

 

 

 


I won't deny that there must have been some people predicting this with good basis. This prediction in particular, though, evidently didn't have any justification. Which is why I think that we needn't give him our sympathies or serve crow to those who ridiculed him.

As far as your points go, the third party games one seems to be the only significant argument. It's very doubtful that the other factors actually played much of a role in Wii's decline. And, honestly, this generation was pretty much revolutionary in terms of third party stubbornness, for lack of a better word. Can you really blame people for thinking that third parties would eventually flock to the console that is way cheaper, way easier to develop for and way more popular, albeit much weaker? I mean, as long as their primary motive is profits, I'd've thought that third parties would go along making cheaper and graphically weaker games on the Wii instead of putting as much effort into the HD consoles as they did.

We had pretty much the same situation with the DS, didn't we? That made it all the more likely that Wii would follow.

Yes, you kinda could. I dont know about anyone else, but for me the writings were all over the walls. First off, the 360 was out the gate a whole YEAR before the Wii went to market. That is not a short amount of time in the tech world, that means alot of companies were putting their assests in HD gaming before they even put it in the Wii. If you dont think online played some small role in all this, then you need to check again. Whats the most popular game on 360? hell PS3? yeah online def had something to do with it. Did you really think that companies would just chop all those assests, dozens of engines just to go back for one console? when they theorically could reach the same userbase number (PS360 combined) doing what they already were doing? Now that, at least to me is crazy. Lets talk about software for a second, even In Wii's heyday the 360 version at least for most games ended selling better than the Wii one, despite the larger gap in install base. That never happened for any system before, PS2 version of games SOUNDLY trounced the other two on most occasions. Hell since 2009 and now the PS3 versions of games managed to pass the Wii one, people do care about performance at least.



fighter on 21 October 2012
Turkish said:
fighter said:
Turkish said:
fighter said:
considering the failure rate of PS2 (lol) vs how reliable the DS is (those things just don't die) I would say that the installl base of DS is already bigger than that of the PS2

anyway - big props to OP - best failed thread in a while


You don't know the failure rate of the PS2. And failed thread? I would say OP put everyone who doubted him in their place.

no stats indeed but from collective experience ps2 is known to be a very unreliable machine

failed thread indeed as DS is a console and there was no groud for OP's position


Your collective experience is not representative for 156 million sold PS2s. Its indeed known that launch PS2s had DRE's, but that was limited to only launch models. PS2 is still the most sold console, OP is still right, try again in the next gen.

source ?



fighter on 21 October 2012
pezus said:
fighter said:
Turkish said:
fighter said:
Turkish said:
fighter said:
considering the failure rate of PS2 (lol) vs how reliable the DS is (those things just don't die) I would say that the installl base of DS is already bigger than that of the PS2

anyway - big props to OP - best failed thread in a while


You don't know the failure rate of the PS2. And failed thread? I would say OP put everyone who doubted him in their place.

no stats indeed but from collective experience ps2 is known to be a very unreliable machine

failed thread indeed as DS is a console and there was no groud for OP's position


Your collective experience is not representative for 156 million sold PS2s. Its indeed known that launch PS2s had DRE's, but that was limited to only launch models. PS2 is still the most sold console, OP is still right, try again in the next gen.

source ?

Probably the same source as yours

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/26567108

http://forums.n4g.com/m77318.aspx

 

tbh the general consensus is that PS2 had huge issues all along it's production - and on the other hand i cannot find any indication that DRE was solved at any point (nor was the only issue to begin with)

 

so my point still stands

 

PS2 being part of the knowingly high failure rate consoles

and having had one of the longest life cycles

it is only logical that a big share of the PS2 are well dead and the install might have even never reached that of the DS



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runqvist on 21 October 2012
Immortal said:

 Can you really blame people for thinking that third parties would eventually flock to the console that is way cheaper, way easier to develop for and way more popular, albeit much weaker? I mean, as long as their primary motive is profits, I'd've thought that third parties would go along making cheaper and graphically weaker games on the Wii instead of putting as much effort into the HD consoles as they did.

Yes, that is one argument from the famous bingo board.

A reasonable person saw that wii was doing worse than hd consoles on third party games even when they had much higher install base, a logical conclusion would be that they aren't going to switch to wii. When this point was made, the responses were like "lol hardcorez hater, mario&sonic/whatever sold just fine! moving goalposts much? Check the launch aligned graph, third parties are doing better on wii than hd consoles".

And as someone else already said, online was a decent factor this gen.



fighter on 21 October 2012
pezus said:
fighter said:
pezus said:
fighter said:
Turkish said:
fighter said:
Turkish said:
fighter said:
considering the failure rate of PS2 (lol) vs how reliable the DS is (those things just don't die) I would say that the installl base of DS is already bigger than that of the PS2

anyway - big props to OP - best failed thread in a while


You don't know the failure rate of the PS2. And failed thread? I would say OP put everyone who doubted him in their place.

no stats indeed but from collective experience ps2 is known to be a very unreliable machine

failed thread indeed as DS is a console and there was no groud for OP's position


Your collective experience is not representative for 156 million sold PS2s. Its indeed known that launch PS2s had DRE's, but that was limited to only launch models. PS2 is still the most sold console, OP is still right, try again in the next gen.

source ?

Probably the same source as yours

 

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/26567108

http://forums.n4g.com/m77318.aspx

 

tbh the general consensus is that PS2 had huge issues all along it's production - and on the other hand i cannot find any indication that DRE was solved at any point (nor was the only issue to begin with)

 

so my point still stands

 

PS2 being part of the knowingly high failure rate consoles

and having had one of the longest life cycles

it is only logical that a big share of the PS2 are well dead and the install might have even never reached that of the DS

 

That's a pretty huge selection bias if you ask me. 

Anyway, since people like to use software sales as proof that there are still more active 360s out there, then why don't we do the same for PS2 vs. DS? PS2 absolutely destroyed DS in overall software sales.


regarding the sources those were the first forum results when typing "PS2 failure rate" on google

3rd also goes the same way so where is the bias ?

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/game-consoles-smackdown/40692-has-had-worse-failure-rate-ps2-xbox-360-a.html

 

regarding your second point you're right (100%)



prayformojo on 21 October 2012

Anyone who is old enough to accurately remember the DC/PS2/Xbox/GC era would say GOOD, the PS2 deserves it. There has never and WILL never be another home console with that kind of software lineup. Definitely the greatest selection of games in history.



prayformojo on 21 October 2012
spurgeonryan said:
So what are DS shipments? I promise they are more than its current sales as well. With DS outselling the PS 2 each week it should have many more shipments as well.


Handhelds and consoles are apple to oranges. You can't compare them.



Soundwave on 21 October 2012
prayformojo said:
Anyone who is old enough to accurately remember the DC/PS2/Xbox/GC era would say GOOD, the PS2 deserves it. There has never and WILL never be another home console with that kind of software lineup. Definitely the greatest selection of games in history.


I dunno, I think the SNES and even the original Playstation may have something to say about that.