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    Florida's Election Officials Questionable Behavior During the Recount is Harming Rick Scott

    in Politics Discussion on 08 December 2018

    NightlyPoe said: 2-2.  I would be interested to know what judges in "higher circles", whatever that means, believes that literally zero people in the United States cast a personal fraudulent ballot in the past decade. Are you suggesting that "voting fraud is a myth" is just something the plebs believe?  I don't understand why you're trying to drill this down. I'm...

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    Florida's Election Officials Questionable Behavior During the Recount is Harming Rick Scott

    in Politics Discussion on 08 December 2018

    NightlyPoe said: Final-Fan said: I'm having a lot of trouble finding what forms of ID the law blocked; could you point me to your source or identify what those forms of ID were?  Even one or two examples will help if you don't remember everything. Here's one.  Acceptable IDs were "driver licenses, special ID cards, passports, veteran identification cards,...

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    Florida's Election Officials Questionable Behavior During the Recount is Harming Rick Scott

    in Politics Discussion on 06 December 2018

    NightlyPoe said: Final-Fan said: 1.  And if they were passing laws mandating everyone must hose down their trash cans in case they were at risk of catching fire, while doing nothing about electrical problems that caused several known house fires?  I'm talking about priorities and enforcement costs here.  Again, there are already laws in place about the kind...

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    Florida's Election Officials Questionable Behavior During the Recount is Harming Rick Scott

    in Politics Discussion on 06 December 2018

    NightlyPoe said: 1.  And were all the blocked forms of ID not "usual"?  Unless this is the case I'm not seeing any reason to think it was coincidence.   They were certainly rarer forms of ID and not uniform government issue. I'm having a lot of trouble finding what forms of ID the law blocked; could you point me to your source or identify what those forms of...

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    Florida's Election Officials Questionable Behavior During the Recount is Harming Rick Scott

    in Politics Discussion on 06 December 2018

    NightlyPoe said: Final-Fan said: That may be, but the relevant question is:  can Cindy Hyde-Smith's quote be as easily demonstrated to be harmless when put back in its natural context? 'Cause otherwise, you know, you're just desperately tossing red herrings.  The natural context was obviously a joke.  I don't think she's standing out in public with cameras...

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    Florida's Election Officials Questionable Behavior During the Recount is Harming Rick Scott

    in Politics Discussion on 06 December 2018

    NightlyPoe said: Final-Fan said: 1.  If you would think "an argument over which is bigger is not really one I'm interested in happening" when the question is the relative priority level of a house on fire and a trash can on fire, then we'll have to agree to disagree.   I don't see a logical point in ignoring either.  If there's a fire, you put your best...

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    Florida's Election Officials Questionable Behavior During the Recount is Harming Rick Scott

    in Politics Discussion on 06 December 2018

    NightlyPoe said: Final-Fan said: ARE YOU LYING, OR IGNORANT?  —When Obama said "when you vote, you are a citizen" he did not mean that voting caused a non-citizen to become a citizen.  Only an idiot could believe this.  Also, I presume you agree that Obama is aware that illegal immigrants are not citizens.  (If you disagree, let me know.  But even...

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    Florida's Election Officials Questionable Behavior During the Recount is Harming Rick Scott

    in Politics Discussion on 06 December 2018

    NightlyPoe said: Final-Fan said: No, I won't excuse this blatant goalpost-shifting.  The North Carolina legislature requested and received racial data on many forms of IDs; in other words, data on which IDs whites were more likely to have (and lack) and which IDs blacks were more likely to have (and lack).  Then they passed a law that, as I understand the court's ruling,...

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    Florida's Election Officials Questionable Behavior During the Recount is Harming Rick Scott

    in Politics Discussion on 06 December 2018

    NightlyPoe said: Final-Fan said: This seems either deliberately disingenuous or incredibly narrowminded.  It doesn't matter which is bigger?  Why wouldn't it, when the one that we have actual evidence is happening is the one NOT receiving legislation purportedly designed to stop it?  Let me rephrase my question from earlier:  do you think it's not unreasonable...

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    Florida's Election Officials Questionable Behavior During the Recount is Harming Rick Scott

    in Politics Discussion on 06 December 2018

    NightlyPoe said: SpokenTruth said: Can you find me statements made by Democratic leaders expressly stating they want illegal aliens to vote in gubernatorial and federal elections? ARE YOU LYING, OR IGNORANT?  —When Obama said "when you vote, you are a citizen" he did not mean that voting caused a non-citizen to become a citizen.  Only...

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    Florida's Election Officials Questionable Behavior During the Recount is Harming Rick Scott

    in Politics Discussion on 06 December 2018

    NightlyPoe said: Final-Fan said: This is such blatant misunderstanding that I wonder if you're even paying attention.  Everything that the law chose to restrict affected minorities more.  Which was the reason the court put a stop to it.  No, I was making a real point.  It's always claimed that it affects minorities more.  No matter how laws are...

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    Florida's Election Officials Questionable Behavior During the Recount is Harming Rick Scott

    in Politics Discussion on 06 December 2018

    NightlyPoe said: Final-Fan said: Ahem, yes.  Yes, the fact that you pointed out mail-in fraud as a potential problem is what I was referring to when I said SpokenTruth "validated your previously-stated position" to some extent.  However, in this thread it appears to me that you have focused on defending laws purporting to protect against in-person voter fraud, and you...

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    Florida's Election Officials Questionable Behavior During the Recount is Harming Rick Scott

    in Politics Discussion on 06 December 2018

    NightlyPoe said: Torillian said: So if you disagree with the judge what do you think is the reason the republicans got voting trend data based on ethnicity? I don't think that single data point is proof of anything.  Additionally, the "surgical precision" line is remarkable in how untrue it is.  Everything, apparently, affect minorities most according to the...

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    Florida's Election Officials Questionable Behavior During the Recount is Harming Rick Scott

    in Politics Discussion on 06 December 2018

    NightlyPoe said: Final-Fan said: The degree to which SpokenTruth has validated your previously-stated position is very narrow IMO.  He demonstrated that voting fraud is probably a real issue in some places, yes.  But a mail-in voting fraud scandal doesn't justify laws that make it significantly harder to vote in person but do nothing to stop the sort of fraud that...

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    Florida's Election Officials Questionable Behavior During the Recount is Harming Rick Scott

    in Politics Discussion on 05 December 2018

    NightlyPoe said: Errorist76 said: Was it really necessary to bump up this shitpost? You must understand, a partisan cheap shot was necessary even if it does blow a hole in his claims. I'll note that I never claimed that Republicans were angels either.  Hence the necessity of laws.  I thank SpokenTruth for demonstrating the correctness of my...

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    Should Brett Kavanaugh SCOTUS Nomination Continue?

    in Politics Discussion on 27 November 2018

    NightlyPoe said: Final-Fan said: —Example: I was looking for examples of "Democrat nominees" who fit both of your other stated conditions. Based on your cases cited, can I take it that you mean specifically Ruth Bader Ginsburg? ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whole_Woman%27s_Health_v._Hellerstedt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald_v._City_of_Chicago Don't think...

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    Should Brett Kavanaugh SCOTUS Nomination Continue?

    in Politics Discussion on 25 November 2018

    —Bork: I'd take that bet (not even one 80% passage in my or your lifetime after 2018) —Escalation: that is what I meant by before Clinton, yes. —Biden: I think we've taken this as far as it's going. —Example: I was looking for examples of "Democrat nominees" who fit both of your other stated conditions. Based on your cases cited, can I take it that you mean specifically Ruth Bader...

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    Should Brett Kavanaugh SCOTUS Nomination Continue?

    in Politics Discussion on 23 November 2018

    —Appointment wars: When thinking of the Bork confirmation fight, I haven't ever gone much farther than "the guy who kowtowed to Nixon's firing of the special prosecutor", but maybe there's some more nuance there. When you say the escalation "all happened on the Democratic side", how far back does the game go of holding up the lower court appointments? I haven't heard of it going back...

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    Florida's Election Officials Questionable Behavior During the Recount is Harming Rick Scott

    in Politics Discussion on 23 November 2018

    I just want to pop in here and mention the difference between "this problem LITERALLY NEVER happens" and "it is so rare that the cost-benefit ratio of the proposed solution is just not good enough". Like, suppose that you can do something that causes 1 case of fraud to be prevented and 10,000 cases of voters for whom the process is made so much more difficult that they don't vote when they...

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    Should Brett Kavanaugh SCOTUS Nomination Continue?

    in Politics Discussion on 23 November 2018

    NightlyPoe said: Final-Fan said: "It didn't torpedo his career because the nomination was already torpedoed" is begging the question.  If they hadn't blocked the nomination then Garland would have gone to a vote and the Republicans might have been shamed into voting for him, given how much praise they'd reportedly heaped on him in the past.   I've already...

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