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Hey, so, sorry but I haven`t finished Mother 3, but I did beat Mother 1, or Earthbound Beginnings, but that`s too long to type... Now I`ll be going for M3 : )
I think the 2nd one is a more crippling part of the game, which some battles happening so frequent from each other.
But aside from that, I enjoyed it. It has the charms of the 2nd, although not as much, but I guess it`s expected for a sequel.
Actually, EB felt more of a re-imagining of M1, using many of the music tracks, some enemies, similar characters, and overall goal of the game. There are some interesting things in M1 that aren`t in EB, so I think it`s worth checking out for the environment. And it still has that quirkiness seen in EB.
Overall, I really enjoyed playing it for the setting and to say I have completed it at least once, but it`s not nearly as good as EB, and likely would not play it again...
Indulge my curiosity. You're against the idea of allowing the player to customize Link, right? Like, female Link is off limits because "Link" is a defined character who must be male. That was your stance, right?
It burns more with Nintendo's recent comments about including all walks of life in explain tin gay relations in Fates, when there's clearly a gaping hole in the ethnic diversity offered.
If Zelda didn't establish itself for 30 years as a game where you play as the same reincarnated boy over and over again in every game, creating a lore to back it up, maybe I'd be more open to character customization there, but as it is now, it's as stupid to me as turning Samus into a customizable character.
Miyamoto and Aonuma have never wavered in their assertion that Link is a player avatar. He just hasn't been customizable to date, for the most part. If nothing else this could easily be chalked up to technical limitations during the series early years, or that Miyamoto simply didn't think about it.
Regardless, there's a big difference between physical traits and characterization. You can change the way Robin looks but you can't change his or her personality. The story and character development is the same no matter how you play it. Although you can alter small things like who the avatar marries and supports with, those supports will always be the same. There's no alternate support with Chrom where you can say something different. At a couple of story points you can pick A or B but they don't affect anything.
Commander Shepard is a better example of a player avatar, and yet is no less well-developed and well-defined than Link.
Question though. Since you brought this back around to Link having to be a boy. Alright, he's a boy. What about other physical traits? Can Link be black?
Again, I don't think they can be compared. Shepard was created to be an avatar with customization options. If Zelda was a franchise where the hero switched with every game, then a new protagonist, with a different name, could have been customizable. Like with Pokemon. Brandon and May were "avatars" for the player, with less personality than Link, but they are established characters. When they were remade in the wake of XY where character customization was finally introduced to Pokemon, they remained who they were, because they became characters in and of themselves, no matter how shallow. Same with Link, only he's reincarnated in every game.
And no, Link shouldn't be black. Minor tweaks like eye color are fine. Pony tail? Fine. No green hat or tunic? Great. But he keeps the side burns, fair skin, pointed ears, and light hair. Honestly, I'd even argue that there's an age bracket he should stay in, which is 12-15. I don't think "adult Link" has any place in any game other than Ocarina of Time and potentially the third Hero of Time game, where there is a relevant plot reason for it.
If Corrin was a reincarnation of Robin, would that change anything? Since Robin had fair skin, that's a recurring attribute?
Your idea of "minor tweaks" throws me off. Link has had pink hair, he was left-handed for 25 years then suddenly became a righty, he has been a child and a teenager, he's been a rabbit and a wolf and most recently a cross-dresser. You even say he can ditch the iconic tunic. But a little tan is out of the question? Even Zelda got to be tan.
I agree that Link is an ineffective avatar in his current state. If Miyamoto and Aonuma really want to stick to their guns then I think customization is a natural step forward. If it had been introduced 15 years ago it wouldn't be an issue. At this point what's holding them back from pursuing that idea more deeply is a reliance on tradition, something I thought you wanted them to break away from.
Something has to give either way. Link is in a weird purgatory between avatar and fleshed-out character. Either give him a personality or let us give him one. Left side, okay. Right side, okay. Middle? Squished like grape.
Link hasn't had pink hair. It was never canonically pink. It was a discoloration. If there was a glitch that turned Link in Zelda U black, I wouldn't be upset, because that was a fault of the game, not a deliberate design choice. I don't think his hand preference matters either. That's minor. The rabbit was a temporary transformation. The wolf was a temporary transformation. If Link had a gimmick in Zelda U where he was transformed into a girl by a curse or something, of course I wouldn't be upset. It's not the same thing at all. Being tan isn't out of the question. Being black is completely different from being out in the sun a bit.
At this point, it's not tradition, it's lore. It wouldn't be breaking tradition, it would be breaking canon. It's not some random person who becomes the reincarnated hero, it's Link. It became to late as soon as ALttP came out with a different Link, canonizing how the reincarnation works.. Zelda set it's rules, and now it must abide by it. And I honestly sense no danger of it not.
I think what they did in Wind Waker is perfect. He had a distinct personality, but he didn't speak. It should definitely err towards the left. Link is a character with his own thoughts and feelings. He went on a journey to save his sister. He cares about his grandmother. Keep that and keep his mouth shut.
I'm glad you brought up Link being transformed into a girl because that probably would have been my next question.
(The pink hair bit was a joke. Just getting at how drastically his appearance has changed over the years, in both concept art and in-game models.)
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