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    People being apologetic to right wing dictatorships because of their fear of left wing politics (even in a democratic setting!) is disturbing. Guess some people will never learn from history

    Agreed. We saw with Chile and Guatemala that red-scare tactics are used to justify overthrowing democratically-elected governments and replacing them with brutal dictatorships that increase income inequality and torture the population.

    on 07 February 2018

    The indoctrination runs deep, socialism to them is everything that is bad and capitalism is this mythical state that can do no wrong, "not real capitalism".

    The saddest thing is that Chile and Guatemala are just the tip of the iceberg, the fascist Golden Dawn in Greece have their roots in the military junta, the genocide in Indonesia was caused by fear of socialism and WW2 in Europe.

    But no, somehow some people think expanding social security/welfare is comparable to that.

    on 07 February 2018

    It also doesn't help that socialism has not even truly had a chance to succeed, as in Russia many foreign states came immediately in order to try to crush the movement, which is what partially resulted in a more authoritarian regime, while Cuba was under an extreme embargo that crippled its economy. A response is that socialism doesn't work but the question then is why are they so keen on suppressing movements whenever they can? Are attacks on trade unions then just for the fun of it?

    on 07 February 2018

    "Socialism will fail on it's own", "but we still have to crush it anyways".

    on 07 February 2018

    Also your thread illustrates that mainstream ideology operates on a false dichotomy of either "you choose a large government" or "you choose the free market". Somehow some people cannot imagine a system that does not operate this way and instead use their limited experience and knowledge of social democracy as a brush to paint the entire left.

    on 07 February 2018

    Reminds me of Cenk Uygur's analysis: Libertarians = government does nothing, capitalism/socialism are indistinguishable and = government does some things and communism = government does everything

    on 07 February 2018

    Uphold Marxism-Uygurism thought

    on 07 February 2018

    < Teeqoz posted something on Leadified's wall:

    Weeeeelll strictly speaking the American Patriots had a few rather fascistic ideas, like regarding to native Americans

    Fascists often commit genocide but not all people who commit genocide are fascists. The Patriots were liberals, fascism would not yet be invented for another 100 years after the American Revolution.

    It's common in language to equate certain actions with certain groups of people or ideas. Such as for example "vandalism" which has it's origin in the Vandals who were a Germanic tribe that sacked Rome. You could describe someone as vandalizing something before the Vandals existed.

    The reason I object to calling non-fascists as "fascistic" is unlike the Vandals, fascism is still present as an ideology. Describing antifa as fascistic and more so than actual Neo-Nazis (who are actually fascists) completely muddles the term and puts forward the wrong idea.

    on 22 January 2018

    Sure, important parts of fascistic ideology such as the belief in an authoritarian government, which is a view you can't exactly claim the founding fathers have, but like I said, they had a few rather fascistic ideas. They obviously didn't adhere to fascist ideology, but that's beyond the scope of my little quip

    However I do agree on the importance of using words for what they actually mean. Language is nothing but a consensus of what random sounds/symbols refer to - if you lose that consensus it's pretty hard to communicate..

    on 22 January 2018

    To expand on "the wrong idea": since fascistic has its root in fascism then by calling something fascistic then by association you compare them to fascists such as Adolf Hitler and the entire ideology. Since fascism is an entire political structure and more than just genocide. So fascistic terms on a term that can also describe matters such as race relations, human rights, intentions, etc. Often people just use this term though to demonize a political opponent they do not like because of some perceived similarities, in essence cherry picking.

    Antifa uses violence.
    Fascists used violence.
    The Patriots used violence.

    However the intentions behind these three groups are completely different contradict each other.

    If Hitler's ideology encouraged expanding public infrastructure and my ideology encourages expanding public infrastructure. Does that make me a Nazi?

    on 22 January 2018

    I was writing my expanding post before I saw your reply, in regards to your first paragraph. I know it was just a wit but I thought "why not" to explain the logic behind my forum post.

    on 22 January 2018

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    Makoto =O


    on 07 January 2018

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