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haxxiy on 14 February 2020
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uran10 said:
haxxiy said:

Come on folks, tossing the "moderate" label on Warren as if it were some insult, even if it were true, it's just lame. She's to the left of probably 80% of the American populace. If you want a candidate that has never attacked anyone else in the race, then Bloomberg is actually the guy for you.

I honestly wish it weren't, considering the awkwardness it causes to party members later in the generals, but that has always been part of the game.

And that's definitely not the case. 80% of the american populace? Really? Are you sure about that? You're under the impression that americans are center right or right of center when that is not the case in the slightest. Do you want to know how I can say that? Look at bernies Left wing Agenda. Remove Bernie, and the dumb socialist labels from them.

Now Look at polling data on these issues, all of the issues that Bernie is running on. Guess what? They're popular. Why is it that all these left wing ideas are Popular if America is some center right wing country? It's cause its not. She's a Moderate. Look at her platform, she's moon walked away from M4A and no Moren, she wasn't being "honest" about how to pay for it. She revealed a plan that said "I'll fight for a public option and put a regressive tax to pay for it just so I can say the middle class wont have to pay more in taxes". It was foolish and the plan is a dud. Bernie has told you how he'll pay for M4A so many times yet he keeps getting asked the same question when the fact of the matter is. ITS CHEAPER THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW AND COVERS EVERYONE! But Yes, with that out of the way. If you're bringing me means tested solutions to problems as the "best option", then you're giving me the "moderate" position. Student Loan debt is a problem, and will probably cause another crash. Let's get rid of some of it instead of all, that will totally fix the issue. I mean, If we're talking about the people in congress she's definitely to the left of most of them, but considering most of them are corporate sellouts that's really not that hard to do. But if you really compare her to the general public which btw is economically "Liberal" but Culturally more conservative then depending on the metric you're either dead wrong or right. But in the grand scheme of things, you're definitely just wrong.

In other words, look at the ideas, look at where they are on the scale and look at how they poll. If americans are saying they're for lefty ideas, when the person you're saying is not a moderate is trying for watered down versions of these ideas.... well..... I think that speaks for itself.

Moren said:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/medicare-for-all-isnt-that-popular-even-among-democrats/

https://news.gallup.com/poll/245462/democrats-favor-moderate-party-gop-conservative.aspx

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/482469-majority-in-new-poll-says-they-would-not-vote-for-socialist-gallup

https://news.gallup.com/poll/245813/leans-conservative-liberals-keep-recent-gains.aspx

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/442292-poll-majority-view-socialism-as-incompatible-with-american-values

It's not like you can say a $15 minimum wage or legalizing marijuana are the popular ultra left wing ideas Sander is running on since virtually everyone in the field embraces these and have been floating around since Obama's second term. So it's not like even he came up with them when he ran against Clinton.

Or if the country is that much to the left as you say, why is it that even within the ~ 30% or so of the American electorate that identifies as a Democrat, half of them aren't going to choose Sanders in the primaries if given the chance to pick someone else? I would assume he'd be the consensus pick, considering everyone else would look a Republican by comparison when you consider this 30% of Democrats encompass the most left-leaning Americans.