| Jaicee said: First of all, I've never said nor "insinuated" that you were a racist before ever and you know it. I can vaguely recall an earlier convo we had months ago wherein you made a statement that seemed very clearly sexist to me at the time, but it's been long enough now that I don't even remember specifically what it was. If you haven't noticed, I don't follow your posts. It was on a thread about films that got deleted by its creator shortly after it was started. Whatever. I don't really know you very well, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Now that we're (hopefully) past your baseless personal attacks on my character, let's move on to issues of more substance. ...Okay you know what, I'm just going to not respond to the rest of your first paragraph, because all it is is attacks on my character and contentions that don't make any sense to me. Moving on to your second paragraph... With regard to your second paragraph, I think we've miscommunicated. I wasn't attempting to suggest that a Third Reich that permitted same-sex weddings could not stand ( Anyway, if you're wanting evidence that films can impact politics directly, you need to look no further than the Guy Fawkes masks brandished by the Anynomous anarchist crowd on a regular basis or the Wonder Woman costumes you've seen at the Women's Marches or the Obama in Joker paint signs you saw at tea party rallies shortly after his election or the three-finger salute from the Hunger Games utilized by Thai protesters in their actions against the military government earlier this decade for that. It's obvious that the movies, and other art for that matter, that people consume can, in fact, inspire them to political action. (I mean the online alt-right movement's quasi-official icon/mascot is the frog character Pepe from a comic book series even!) Art DOES have the power to change the world! For the better, and sometimes for the worse as well. That's why authoritarian governments are always keen to carefully screen and censor it. |
), but that the prohibition of films such as Madchen in Uniform shows that forces like the Nazis (and other repressive regimes) have recognized the ability of art to change public opinion, in this case on something they felt was intolerable: same-sex relationships. See what I'm saying? I mean that's what we're arguing about here, is it not? Whether art has the power to affect public opinion on social issues?If you don't want your character being put into question, probably not a good plan to do so to others. Obviously I don't know what you were insinuating as you were deliberately vague, but it was clearly something along the lines of racism/sexism, and cool you admit that it was indeed. My post explaining why I didn't like TLJ somehow proved I was such to you, meaning you just believe what you want to believe rather than what was actually said. I think that's an important detail to know about someone.
I know that's not what you suggested, I'm saying what the actual reason is for such things being banned, that what you suggested is wrong. If you don't agree please explain how Winnie the Pooh encourages people to rise up against the CCP. It's true I don't get your example, sure as hell wasn't a movie that took down the Nazis. I don't buy that a 2 hour movie meant to entertain that not everyone will even see is somehow gonna change public opinion on things people knew as correct their whole life that is supported by their family, friends, and government, but ok fine, sure. They banned them out of fear they'll change things somehow rather than what I said. So, what good it is then when they're banned and no one can see them?
If you think protest were started because of art rather than real world circumstances... yikes! They can be used as symbols to represent the cause, but are not the cause. Other than being used as a symbol (likely without the original creators consent), they have nothing to do with real world events, cause, you know, they're fiction. I certainly don't think of Obama when watching Batman or Thailand when reading Hunger Games.
