| Lonely_Dolphin said: I remember you claiming I was biased and insinuating that I'm sexist/racist/whatever after trying to show that TLJ isn't widely hated for the reasons you imagine. Are there Star Wars fans that hate it for political reasons, sure but they are just a tiny minority. That you'd believe I hate it for such reasons despite what I said tells me you think anyone who doesn't like the movie only does so because they're racist/sexist/whatever. It'd be like if I said anyone who doesn't like TROS only hates because of the way Rey and Kylo's romance turned out, lumping you in with the crazy Reylo fans making death threats and demanding Kylo's actor divorce his wife. Because they're corrupt petty and stupid. Is Winnie the Pooh a threat, that China banned him because he could single-handedly topple their regime? lol no. Two people loving each other that happen to be the same sex is similarly no threat, it effects absolutely nothing. It's just banned because ego and immaturity. That it's not an issue is the whole reason it shouldn't be outlawed. Actual threats would be strikes boycotts and protest, actions that involve real people putting their livelihoods on the line. |
First of all, I've never said nor "insinuated" that you were a racist before ever and you know it.
I can vaguely recall an earlier convo we had months ago wherein you made a statement that seemed very clearly sexist to me at the time, but it's been long enough now that I don't even remember specifically what it was. If you haven't noticed, I don't follow your posts. It was on a thread about films that got deleted by its creator shortly after it was started. Whatever. I don't really know you very well, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
Now that we're (hopefully) past your baseless personal attacks on my character, let's move on to issues of more substance.
...Okay you know what, I'm just going to not respond to the rest of your first paragraph, because all it is is attacks on my character and contentions that don't make any sense to me. Moving on to your second paragraph...
With regard to your second paragraph, I think we've miscommunicated. I wasn't attempting to suggest that a Third Reich that permitted same-sex weddings could not stand (
), but that the prohibition of films such as Madchen in Uniform shows that forces like the Nazis (and other repressive regimes) have recognized the ability of art to change public opinion, in this case on something they felt was intolerable: same-sex relationships. See what I'm saying? I mean that's what we're arguing about here, is it not? Whether art has the power to affect public opinion on social issues?
Anyway, if you're wanting evidence that films can impact politics directly, you need to look no further than the Guy Fawkes masks brandished by the Anynomous anarchist crowd on a regular basis or the Wonder Woman costumes you've seen at the Women's Marches or the Obama in Joker paint signs you saw at tea party rallies shortly after his election or the three-finger salute from the Hunger Games utilized by Thai protesters in their actions against the military government earlier this decade for that. It's obvious that the movies, and other art for that matter, that people consume can, in fact, inspire them to political action. (I mean the online alt-right movement's quasi-official icon/mascot is the frog character Pepe from a comic book series even!) Art DOES have the power to change the world! For the better, and sometimes for the worse as well. That's why authoritarian governments are always keen to carefully screen and censor it.
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