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Wyrdness said:
Darwinianevolution said:

The US not knowing the operation about Solemini is understandable. When chasing a terrorist, you don't announce it to the public beforehand, that's just warning him and giving him time to run and hide. This being a secret project close to the upper echelons of the US' military is natural, especially considering it happened on international soil. And about Trump getting flack... let's be honest, it's Trump we're talking about. Whether you think it's warranted or not, he's been getting heat for everything he's done even before he got elected. He could bring world peace and somehow get as much flack as if he had started WWIII.

The one thing I find interesting about this is Iraq asking the coalition's forces to leave. This is just me, but I feel this is just a momentary request (they can just ask for it and delay the exit enough to let it slide after everyone forgets about it). After all, there is no lost love between Iraq and Iran, and the fact that Soleimini was organizing terrorist cells within their country has certainly done nothing to make them feel more secure. Asking the US to take their forces away from their country seems only reasonable in a very superficial level, but Iraq is not a stable country, and wasn't really capable of fending off the many forces that participated in the civil war of 2014 without external aid, and I'm sure they realize it.

Are you serious with the first paragraph? I have to ask because I don't believe for a second you are as this comes across as coy especially with the context you've been replying in The US refers to congress, intelligence etc... Are you seriously telling me you believe those people would have announced the action to the world? Non of them were informed that's why he's getting flack you know why they need to be informed? So he can be advised on his actions otherwise you get political chaos like what has happened now, all of the US' allies have distanced themselves from the act even the Saudis with the only ally who supports it saying they won't touch any conflict with a barge pole meaning US would be with out allies in the war which also means you can't deploy from bases in said allies land this is why Trump has done a u-turn and is getting flack.

They asked US to leave because if a war breaks out guess who would have been the first to be invaded by Iran and who would become the battle ground for the war? They don't want a target on their backs you see the war in Afghanistan and how it's still going 18 years after it started with the US now trying to get out that's what Iraq would be dealing with should these two have a war this is why as long as conflict is a possibility they don't want US troops there.

Ok, when you said "The US hardly knew about the attack on Solemini, Trump and a small group authorized it" I assumed you meant the US population. The ones who knew are probably high ranking oficials from the military, secret services, maybe important diplomats who'd have to deal with this and Trump himself. I imagine this information was classified and still is, and we don't know barely anything about it, not even other high ranking officials that aren't just high enough or were not relevant for the operation. And I'm sure both Trump and the higher officials I've mentioned knew of this. Trump can't just wake up one morning and decide to take down an important general from another country, the amount of resources, intel and personnel (not to mention all of the red tape and bureocratic and diplomatic effords before and after the deed) he'd need to do that would be enough to slow down the project to a crawl if there wasn't a general consensus. And if it was actually a rather detrimental one for the US, and he would still try to push it through, there would be a "convenient" leak that would throw all the plan to the garbage can. Again, this was probably months, if not years, in the making.

And no, probably none of the allies were informed of this very secret operation. Even if it was to preserve the information integrity of it. Though it's not like they would oppose to it if they knew. Both Israel and Saudi Arabia compete with Iran for influence on the Middle East, and Soleimini (and by extension Iran) has organized attacks against both of them. Of course they'd say they want nothing to do with a conflict, but there's a difference between the official message and the actual political game. Saying they don't want war and wish to start a conflict is easy (and to be fair, it's probably true they want peace), but I can't see any of them lamenting Soleimini's death. And neither would Iraq, considering Iran has been interfeering in that country through diverse means (from terrorism to political activism in favour of Iran) so asking the US to leave is just a temporal thing that will end up in nothing.

And, like I've said in a previous post, there is no real chance for war, because noone wants it, and noone would profit from it. Iran wants no war because they'd be wiped out. The US and allies want no war because of the human and economical consequences of it, not to mention the massive wave of worldwide terrorism that would be born in the wake of Iran's fall.

Last edited by Darwinianevolution - on 08 January 2020

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