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Pyro as Bill said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Yes, I know, though the real result was 38-48 if we don't exclude the undecided: https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/9f359xvq6w/TheTimes_191206_Scotland_Results_IndependenceW.pdf

Also, it's a complete outliner right now, most polls are getting close to break even now:

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/politics/scottish-politics/1039926/exclusive-courier-poll-showing-rise-in-support-for-independence-gives-election-day-boost-to-snp/ 1% difference

https://www.drg.global/wp-content/uploads/W1781w24-Tables-for-publication-061219.pdf 6% difference, outside of the one you posted the one with the biggest win for stay in the UK in the last 2 months

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2019-11/ipsos-mori-scotland-election-2019-pm-tables.pdf break even

https://www.drg.global/wp-content/uploads/W1781w23-Tables-for-publication-221119.pdf 2% difference

https://www.drg.global/wp-content/uploads/Sunday-Times-Tables-for-publication-111019.pdf 1% difference

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_Scottish_independence a little overview

And that's all before the general election. With the conservatives gaining the absolute majority and can now Brexit for sure, I'm very sure the independence movement will gain even more traction.

'Do you think Scotland should be independent? isn't the same as 'How will you vote in a referendum?'. Everybody learned this lesson in the first indy ref.
The last poll that asked people how they actually intend to vote had 'Remain' with a 17pt lead.
Given your past flawed analysis of UK politics, I'd happily bet you that Scotland will remain in the UK after the next referendum (it'll be in the next parliament if the SNP keep their current support).
"The Tories rose to high 30's after Johnson got elected but are coming crashing down since he humiliated himself in Luxembourg, his failed Prorogation, not being able to win any votes in Parliament..."
"And a new election will just make it worse and solve nothing, as both the big parties loose a lot while the smaller ones win quite a bit, making the balance of powers even more even than they were before."

Honestly, i'm tired of arguing with echo-chamber folk. I don't get why the losing side would rather invent nonsense and play it back to each other instead of engaging with the other side and working out how to improve/compromise/win.

To win an election/referendum, you have to win votes from the opposing team. Playing to your own crowd doesn't work.

Trump is gonna win the next election. Boris will win the next election too and the Left will continue to freak out and act surprised when they lose.

I'm starting to think the Koch Brothers or whoever the rightwing bad guys are these days are secretly funding the Left knowing that any airtime they get results in votes for the opposing team.

WTF??? I backed up everything I said here, linked proofs for everything. The problem is more that you dismissed everything, as if you were saying "I reject your reality and substitute my own!" about anything that proves the wrongs from Trump, the leave campaign, etc...

I do expect Boris to win the next election, too, unless he fucks up royally or Labour reinvents itself. Trump, on the other hand, is far from safe.