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Hiku said:
Dyotropic said:

Yes, but you won't find those women you described on tinder. 

There are sites and apps specifically for sugar daddy relationships.
But a lot of people use Tinder just because it can be difficult to meet someone the normal way. Whether its their work schedule, or they want to be left alone and not hit on every 5 minutes when they go out clubbing with their friends during the only times in the month they actually get to hang out, etc.

A surprising amount of people in my circle of friends and acquaintances have used Tinder at some point. Some of whom are still together with that person, and it's not because of any notable financial differences.

Though if in your profile you're presenting designer brands and otherwise expensive items, then you may attract a certain type of person. 

Dyotropic said:

Read this article. Where 44% of women admit that they only went on a date for free food. 

https://nypost.com/2017/08/30/beware-of-foodie-call-dates-who-are-just-in-it-for-a-free-meal/

There are plenty of articles and studies that show how women make the majority of consumer purchases. Yes, they do buy things for their families, such as clothes and groceries, and that is part of the reason for the lopsided gender ratio, but 41% of women ages 25 to 44 are single and that number is growing every year. 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/29/economy/single-women-economy/index.html

Women on average own 3 to 4 more high end "luxury" fashion items than men. Look at the number of shoes the average woman has verse the average male. It's crazy. 

Well the first article's survey seems based in US. Where there's a perception that the guy is supposed to pay for the first date.
It says that 44% of young women surveyed said "because why not; it’s a free meal".
And I've heard sentiments like that before. "Why not. We may hit it off. But if it turns out there's no chemistry and my date is actually boring, at least it wasn't a complete waste of my time, because I got a free meal."

If roles were reverse and it was expected of women to pay for the first date in the US, I'm sure a lot of guys would take a chance on more girls than they normally would, for that reason.

And I mentioned USA because in Sweden for example, where I live, going on a first date isn't really a thing. Once people are in a committed relationship, then they start going out on dates, or having date nights at home, etc.

As for the second part of your comment, about the number of women single, I'm not sure what you're saying there.
But the second article mentions how single or unmarried women tend to spend more than their married friends. And that makes sense, doesn't it?
When you're younger, and/or looking for a partner, you tend to put more of an effort into how you present yourself. Skincare, clothes, makeup, hair, gym, clubbing, drinks, etc. Then once you get married, there's the expression that "you let yourself go" a bit.

Not sure where that "3 to 4 more high end "luxury" fashion items than men" comes from, but I wouldn't doubt it. Designer bags can cost a lot, and there's no equivalence to it on the men's side.
Some girls do have a rather big shoe collection. I asked someone about that, and she said she feels it's expected of her to wear something different every day. While guys at the office where she works can wear the same suit every single day and no one would bat an eye.
Married women tend to get expensive wedding rings per tradition, some times with a real diamond, as opposed to the man's ring which tends to be more simple.
The bride's wedding dress tends to be more expensive than the suit, etc.


But based on the people I've met in my life, I don't get the perception that women in general tend to seek out partners for material reasons. In fact, I've known more than a few who are quite prideful when it comes to things like letting a guy pay for things that they can pay for themselves.
A girl I was seeing some years ago wouldn't even let me refill her SIM card when she couldn't afford it herself until her next paycheck, which was a few days later. I told her "ok, just refund the money in a few days when you get paid. Otherwise you won't be able to call me until then." It took about 2 hours of arguing with her before she accepted even that.
Another girl wouldn't let me pay for her coffee and cake at a cafe. And only agreed if I let her pay for me next time. And she did.
I later asked her to go see a movie with me, and I paid for it. Next time she asked me to watch a film with her, and she paid for it. Etc.

Hiku said:
Dyotropic said:

Yes, but you won't find those women you described on tinder. 

There are sites and apps specifically for sugar daddy relationships.
But a lot of people use Tinder just because it can be difficult to meet someone the normal way. Whether its their work schedule, or they want to be left alone and not hit on every 5 minutes when they go out clubbing with their friends during the only times in the month they actually get to hang out, etc.

A surprising amount of people in my circle of friends and acquaintances have used Tinder at some point. Some of whom are still together with that person, and it's not because of any notable financial differences.

Though if in your profile you're presenting designer brands and otherwise expensive items, then you may attract a certain type of person. 

Dyotropic said:

Read this article. Where 44% of women admit that they only went on a date for free food. 

https://nypost.com/2017/08/30/beware-of-foodie-call-dates-who-are-just-in-it-for-a-free-meal/

There are plenty of articles and studies that show how women make the majority of consumer purchases. Yes, they do buy things for their families, such as clothes and groceries, and that is part of the reason for the lopsided gender ratio, but 41% of women ages 25 to 44 are single and that number is growing every year. 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/29/economy/single-women-economy/index.html

Women on average own 3 to 4 more high end "luxury" fashion items than men. Look at the number of shoes the average woman has verse the average male. It's crazy. 

Well the first article's survey seems based in US. Where there's a perception that the guy is supposed to pay for the first date.
It says that 44% of young women surveyed said "because why not; it’s a free meal".
And I've heard sentiments like that before. "Why not. We may hit it off. But if it turns out there's no chemistry and my date is actually boring, at least it wasn't a complete waste of my time, because I got a free meal."

If roles were reverse and it was expected of women to pay for the first date in the US, I'm sure a lot of guys would take a chance on more girls than they normally would, for that reason.

And I mentioned USA because in Sweden for example, where I live, going on a first date isn't really a thing. Once people are in a committed relationship, then they start going out on dates, or having date nights at home, etc.

As for the second part of your comment, about the number of women single, I'm not sure what you're saying there.
But the second article mentions how single or unmarried women tend to spend more than their married friends. And that makes sense, doesn't it?
When you're younger, and/or looking for a partner, you tend to put more of an effort into how you present yourself. Skincare, clothes, makeup, hair, gym, clubbing, drinks, etc. Then once you get married, there's the expression that "you let yourself go" a bit.

Not sure where that "3 to 4 more high end "luxury" fashion items than men" comes from, but I wouldn't doubt it. Designer bags can cost a lot, and there's no equivalence to it on the men's side.
Some girls do have a rather big shoe collection. I asked someone about that, and she said she feels it's expected of her to wear something different every day. While guys at the office where she works can wear the same suit every single day and no one would bat an eye.
Married women tend to get expensive wedding rings per tradition, some times with a real diamond, as opposed to the man's ring which tends to be more simple.
The bride's wedding dress tends to be more expensive than the suit, etc.


But based on the people I've met in my life, I don't get the perception that women in general tend to seek out partners for material reasons. In fact, I've known more than a few who are quite prideful when it comes to things like letting a guy pay for things that they can pay for themselves.
A girl I was seeing some years ago wouldn't even let me refill her SIM card when she couldn't afford it herself until her next paycheck, which was a few days later. I told her "ok, just refund the money in a few days when you get paid. Otherwise you won't be able to call me until then." It took about 2 hours of arguing with her before she accepted even that.
Another girl wouldn't let me pay for her coffee and cake at a cafe. And only agreed if I let her pay for me next time. And she did.
I later asked her to go see a movie with me, and I paid for it. Next time she asked me to watch a film with her, and she paid for it. Etc.

I live in Beverley hills, so maybe I am on the extreme end of things, but I really don't think tinder is that much different here. Tinder for your average male is nearly impossible, and I am speaking from experiences of me and my friends. I have plenty of stories. You are competing with the hedge fund babies and pro-athletes. 

Americans, in general, are also much more materialistic compared to other countries. 

Last edited by Dyotropic - on 25 December 2019