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fatslob-:O said:
Machiavellian said:

Trump going down has more to do with him being the complete moron then anything else you or John can think up.  We are here today because of how incompetent this whole Ukraine situation was handled by Trump and his administration.  This whole narrative, of socialist this, liberal that is just another way to deflect from an obvious idiotic handling of another situation that continue to baffle me on why people consider this moron capable of anything more than screwing shit up as he has shone throughout his life.

Oh well keep looking for ways to move the blame to everyone else besides the one person who got us here.

Don't you get it ? It's not about who to blame ... 

It's about what Trump represents and it's that he represents America with all of it's idiosyncrasies and beliefs too. If Trump loses then America loses as well because it's own people doubt the very institutions behind their systems thus potentially undoing their project to democratize the whole world ... 

Would you rather see America keep losing in the world if it means you wanting to see Trump losing so badly ? America facing defeat behind the very foundations they've built upon the world so far means victory for the communist middle kingdom regime! 

Are you saying Donald Trump represents America in the most literal sense - i.e. he was voted in as President? If you mean it in a more general sense, we know he lost the popular vote so you could say Hillary would have been a more accurate representation of the country...

Are you also saying that any legitimate takedown of a high ranking government figure is bad for democracy? Surely that shows that democracy has the ability to police itself and weed out it's corrupt parts?

I guess I just don't agree with your premise that Trump losing equates to democracy or the US losing...