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fatslob-:O said:
VAMatt said:

The prosperity you speak of back then may well be achievable by the Chinese system.  But, it's not something any reasonable, modern citizen of planet Earth would consider a prosperous society.  Yes, the Romans were victorious in many battles, so the warrior class and elites of society were able to rape many women and take many slaves.  They were also able to pillage all kinds of resources from the conquered people.  But, the vast majority of people lived in relative squalor. 

I don't doubt that the Chinese system will be able to bring about a good life for the elites.  They'll be able to rape, murder, and steal to their heart's content, while the average person is unable to find clear air to breathe while peddling their bike to their sweatshop gig.  

@Bold It's getting harder everyday to make that argument as China uses it's concerted effort to technologically bridge the gap against western civilizations and in some cases surpass them like we see with 5G ... 

How are we supposed to count on the free world when they are making a fatal mistake of becoming reliant on strategically important technology from a hostile foreign nation ?

There is always going to be elites and the lower classes. That has never been the problem since elites can be potentially used to make big contributions to the development of a civilization. For the Romans, it was militaristic elites who were able to make the continued expansion of their empire. For the current Chinese state, it is their technocratic elites who were able to create an industrial powerhouse state ... 

Once the Chinese crack the secret behind genetic manipulation and use it on their public, life will be undoubtedly superior for their 'oppressed' demographics even compared to the citizens of the free world ... 

Ka-pi96 said:

You mean... perpetually in the shadow of Europe? Sure, as a European I hope for that too!

You mean the same Europe that's subscribing to Huawei who's an arm of Chinese intelligence ?

Not disagreeing with all your points but don't you think it more likely they will steal said secrets like they have so much else? Do you not see them as a problem or are you just playing devil's advocate?