hunter_alien said:
Look, nobody is questioning the heavy handedness or brutality that is being used on a daily basis, but let's not point fingers at China, when there are plenty of mutilations going on in the west as well. Or we simply like to ignore the same sittuations in Spain and France, and let's not forget military grade responses in places like Ferguson, when even the slightest form of dissent is shown a full-blown military response. Also, we do not have concentration camps for muslims, as we do n ot need them. We let our allies keep them on regional lockdown in misserable conditions, so we can pretend that our hands are clean. For everybody who thinks that I am misrepresenting the xenophobic feelings towards chines, or what that means, I am not. I am well aware what it means and what it entails but honestly with the current sittuation in Hong Kong most people call it a them vs us (as the freedom loving part of the world) sittuation. Them being the chinese government, whch like it or not , has the support of the mainland population. Remember, a government without popular support cannot last, and China has plenty of it, and no matter what people are preaching, it has one of the most stable governments since the cold war. Is it hard to grasp it from our point of view? Sure, we were raised on different cultural values.As somebody who was raised in a pos-communist country (Romania) I know how much freedom means, and I value it dearly. But please do tell about your freedom concerns to those close to one billion people who were taken out from complete poverty in the last half century, and explain to them how horrible their sittuation is, now that they can actually afford somewhat decent living conditions. I bet they even know that the coun try is not perfect, but when will a 1.3 billion country ever be? Look, if trying to be somewhat ojective makes me the devil's advocate, so be it, but I really do wish that people would not treat this sittuation so extremely one-sided without giving it even the slightest benefit of doubt. I think we could all learn a bit from doing so. |
You're certainly correct that there is all kinds of rights violating going on in the west. But, you can't justify bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior. This thread is about China. So, people are talking about the bad stuff happening in China because that's the whole point of this thread.
As for treating it "one-sided"..... You seem to be suggesting that we should all take a minute to look at it from the eyes of the oppressors. But, no, we shouldn't. Oppressive government is objectively bad, and cannot be excused for *any reason*. It doesn't matter if they think they're helping people. They're nothing but ruthless authoritarians. There is nothing to be learned (except maybe how to be a scumbag and still get people to like you).
