Official 2020 US Election: Democratic Party Discussion

[uran10]

tsogud said:

uran10 said:

And I disagree. I treat Warren the exact same way I treat everyone else. I already said it, I have 1 major issue first, thats money in politics. She's taken big money, used it in her presidential run and plan on taking it again in the general. Money is the root of corruption in american politics. As Bernie says, you can't fight the system while taking its money. She's backpedalled hard on so many issues, lied time and time again and now put out the most disingenuous argument for paying for M4A that will hurt the movement. And for Pressley, I'll just say she endorsed Hillary and claimed hillary was progressive, even tried to say moreso than Sanders. I'm very simple. You take that big money and you're out. On top of that, there are a hell of a lot of red flags. The Media doesn't like progressives, so why does Warren get so much good coverage while Bernie gets a blackout or smeared? I'm sorry but Warren is imo a fake friend to the movement. Honestly tho, look at how they treat Bernie, Tulsi and even Yang vs how they treat Warren. Look at Warren lying and equivocating on most issues when pressed about how she's just like Bernie.

Our main thing is that the system is corrupt and the main reasoning for that is money and that's why we can't get anything we the people want. Why would I think someone who has taken and will take that money is an ally or will fight against that system? We treat Pete like crap when he says that but no one hammers Warren for it in the same way? I'm sorry but no, I don't see them on the same side. Warren's meeting with Hillary, and courting the dem elite, THE SAME PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY WILL DO A SUPER DELEGATE REVOLT AGAINST BERNIE! You can call me cynical, but the more Warren talks, the more she "does", the more I get annoyed and angry cause all I see is this liar who keeps clinging to Bernie's coattail while undermining the movement at the same time. You say they're on the same side, but instead of focusing on issues she used the "Bernie's a white man and we don't need that rn" argument. Sure she didn't specify bernie but we all know the implications. Which ally is gonna throw you under the bus like that? oh yea, the fake / enemy kind!

I don't think you've kept up on her campaign then if you're still saying the bolded, iirc she's taken back that statement and has sworn big money off if nominated. That's a huge step. Her strategy is working with establishment Dems, I don't agree with that at all that's why I'm with Bernie and his "no middle ground," but at least she's upfront with it like Bernie is with his stance. Just a different route to get to the same goal. I think they compliment each other really well.

The corruption money has on politics has been hammered in by BOTH of them. They both realize this is a big issue, maybe Warren is a little more soft on this issue, sure I'll grant you that considering she has taken big money before but it's not like it's falling on deaf ears with her. Money in politics is THE issue for progressives like myself so it's nice having two candidates actually talking about it, even though I do think Bernie will deliver better results as he hasn't taken any big money whatsoever.

All in all Warren has perfected her policies throughout this race enough to justify being a progressive and think that's pretty commendable of her. She has faults and shortcomings sure, some of which I've brought attention to on this thread but at the end of the day she's fighting for the same goal.

I have been following her campaign and that's why I know the big money thing is still a thing. She said she wont do big money fundraisers for her campaign but will do them for the DNC. The same dnc whose total amount raised will be reported with her campaign as one unit and will fund her campaign as well aka she's still taking big money.

Once again with what I said above, she has taken this money and has shown that she will take it again in the general. Bernie will stop the DNC from taking big money, she will not, she will raise it for them. You can't fight a system if you're taking its money. Why would I trust her again? Quick edit here: Big money is a litmus test and the ultimate litmus test in my view. To me, it doesn't matter what comes after, what you're saying etc because you've dipped into corruption. This is where public and private policies are created and its in human nature to payback those who help us. This money she took is all I needed to see. It doesn't matter who takes the money, if you take it I don't care about the rest of your record anymore, you're a traitor. On top of that I can dee dive on her record and her past and its not progressive but that's besides my point. Not supporting/pretending to support the policies I want is one thing, but taking money from the same people you constantly rail against while claiming you're fighting them is laughable.

And I disagree with the perfected policies thing. She's lying about M4A, her payment is a head tax that hurts small business and the middle class and will make it harder for wage increases to be passed, on top of that its exploitable. She doesn't go far enough on student debt, she doesn't tackle medical debt, her foreign policy is equivalent to that of a neoliberal and I could go on. I do not even slightly believe she will fight for what she says. Too much head faking, too much lying motions with the way she talks and moves, too much establishment types who know her saying she will pivot and above all else, if she was truly progressive the media would be treating her like Bernie or Tulsi, but they're propping her up. Red flags everywhere. All in all, she's still failing task #1 and for me, once you've failed it in this cycle you don't count anymore. She can't even say she'll give back the money cause she's already spent it.

Like I said, I judge everyone the same and there are only 2 candidates in this race that get pass my big money litmus test. That's Bernie and Tulsi. Actually i have to look into Williamson she might pass as well, but everyone else has failed, yang has failed recently but everyone else was failing from the get go. I do not trust someone like Warren especially since she is a known Liar and I do not see her actions as an ally to bernie. Its clear that she's trying to undercut him and I'm not here for it. The reason I seem to come off more hostile to Warren is because she's moving like a real fake friend and I see all her moves compared to everyone else because of who I follow on twitter etc. So when she does something good, I see it. When she does the incredibly dumb things she keeps on doing that proves she isn't trustworthy, I see it to.

Last edited by uran10 - on 09 November 2019