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Jumpin said:
What that post showed was a poll suggesting a number of people who voted Clinton over Obama in the primaries didn’t vote Democratic later. It didn’t show who these voters were or what states these voters were from. For all we know these were Conservatives registering to vote in the Democratic primaries simply to make sure a mixed-ethnicity guy didn’t get voted in. There was no “Clinton or Bust” campaign from her supporters in 2008 or 2016, but there was a massive “Bernie or Bust” campaign in 2016 where Bernie Sanders supporters actively stated that they will not vote for the Democratic Party unless Bernie Sanders wins. The data shows a large impact on the Democratic voting states, showing with their numbers alone, the number of Bernie Sanders voters alone were enough to make the difference to give those states to the Republicans. But the thing of key importance was the large numbers of others they would have influenced. Through 2015 and 2016 there was an obscenely large social media campaign against Hillary Clinton by Bernie Sanders fans. Some of his fan sites, I can specifically remember TYT (primarily from their resident failed comedian, Jimmy Dore) actively encouraging leftist voters not to vote for the Democratic Party in the election, saying it would be better if the Republicans won. And these sorts of sites aren’t small, back in 2016, TYT alone had millions of viewers. Unless you can demonstrate that there is some kind of Clinton or bust campaign just waiting to occur, and that “Clinton Meddling” is somehow going to trigger it, then you’re more or less just posting an irrelevant red herring (and, quite frankly, a ridiculous one). The possibility of a Bernie or Bust 2020 is quite real. There are already people (even in these forums) posting conspiracy theories, character assassinations, and lies about policy against Elizabeth Warren in this case. It’s bizarre, because these Sanders fan sites attack Elizabeth Warren far more than Biden, some of them even more so than they do Trump. |
You are quick to make excuses for the data showing Clinton fans as tending more to republican, but you are inventing stuff against Sanders. Naturally you has no data for all this. So I just say you are wrong and with the same authority as you claim, that Clinton got 2016 more votes through Bernie supporters as she had gotten if she would've been alone in the primaries. The reason is, that Sanders activated voters that were passive before and usually stayed at home, but now were energized for the Democrats through Sanders campaign. These people by far have outweight the Bernie or Bust people.
If you don't believe that, than show me data that your point of view is more likely than mine.
