sundin13 said:
Some weird takes here: 1) That's a lot read from an expression. I don't know that you can read "a disappointment regarding the fact that other individuals are misled about you" from a fading smile, but hey, more power to ya if you think you can. 2) Now, this is the part that made me want to respond. Please correct me if I'm wrong and explain what you mean, but when I read this comment, it sounds to me like you are saying that people criticizing someone for doing something bad, is in itself bad because it brings attention to that bad thing. I find that ridiculous. It is not the fault of those criticizing the President's actions for doing harm to America's standing in the world, it is the fault of the person actually doing the bad things. 3) The main reason that "Lock her up" has been criticized, is because it reeks of a Soviet style imprisonment of an individual's political opponents. It is the responsibility of those in politics to oversee the peaceful transition of power and ensure that power is not being abused. The President (or prospective president) making these comments is wrong, because it implies abuse of power. An individual outside of politics does not hold the same responsibility. I can say "I believe that the President should be imprisoned", but I would feel a lot less comfortable about individuals within the Democratic Primary making that same statement. I do believe that the President has broken the law, but I also believe that the executive branch should not be used as a tool against political opponents. I also think you have to acknowledge that much of these chants is likely meant more ironically as a response to Trump, but I don't think we need to get into that. 4) Yes, it was wrong for Trump to start the "Lock her up" chants. Next question. 5) Very much worth noting that Trump has never had majority support. He did not win the popular vote and his disapproval rate has been higher than his approval rate basically since taking office. While no President has ever garnered support from literally everybody, many have obtained significantly higher levels of support than this president. I believe Trump will be the first President to never have an approval rate over 50% since polling was popularized if we maintain this course. 6) Again, give that "silent majority" a few extra quotes. Something like """""""Silent "Majority" """"""" would be more fitting. 7) No. Trump cannot talk himself out of his actions. He needs to act. |
1. People read into other people's body language or speech all the time. It's taught in certain career's. A while back for example, in this thread, there was discussion about what Trump said at the U.N. and how they reacted to it, as well as how Trump took that reaction. I was part of it, but quite a few others were also giving their opinion, which wasn't the same as mine, and quite opposite actually. Who was closer to the truth? Nobody really knows for certain.
2. The naysayer type tend to believe that there is a right way and wrong way to go about things. Politically correct is usually how they label it. I find it hard to believe that a large crowd, likely made up of those type of individuals, chanting lock him up in a stadium, doesn't fall under being politically incorrect. So once again, they are going against their so called morals and/or beliefs. It's clear this could have been done in a more politically correct fashion, that wouldn't put it on a media level worldwide stage, yet it wasn't. Why? Again, why give either side any merit then?
3. If an individual does not have the same responsibility as a President, then not only is Trump at least somewhat justified in what he said about prior Presidents, before he became one, but any criticism about what Trump said about past Presidents isn't worth bringing up because he was just another individual at the time. Yet that get's used against Trump all the time. Why? On top of that, Trump wasn't suggesting she be locked up during the election so he could be handed the Presidency. He was saying she broke the law as far as he was concerned and should pay for it like everyone else does by facing the judicial system. He also now is the President, and as far as we know, he hasn't used his agencies to go directly after her, and so how much water did that lock her up statement originally hold? In point 1 you suggest "that's a lot to read from an expression", as if I shouldn't be able to tell, and you now want to tell me it's likely the crowd didn't mean it when they chanted lock him up? How can you tell?
4. While I don't think he started the chants, he did start the whole lock her up thing by saying she should be locked up. I'll assume you meant he shouldn't have suggested it in the first place, unless I'm mistaken.
5. If ratings matter so much, then a Fox News article should carry much more weight than much of the rest of the MSM. Yet it's constantly pointed out that their biased scum and what they have to say doesn't mean much, despite their higher ratings now. Why are their ratings where they are now if they are so terrible and unreliable? How high do their ratings have to reach to become a valuable respected source? Do ratings matter?
6. I'm just quoting a term that's been used since the election. It's not an entirely accurate term either (like fake news), as you've pointed out based on the popular vote. He did win a majority in the EC to become President however. I personally don't define support solely based on the votes though. There are people who say they didn't vote, but now support Trump. To me that counts going forward. Just as much as anyone who says they didn't vote but will be voting Democrat because of Trump in 2020. Not to mention anyone changing sides because of Trump.
7. Who said anything about talking himself out of his actions? Talking to eventually come to some sort of an agreement would be the reason to do so. Acting requires making informed decisions. To become informed, you must source the info through the people, which can be done in many ways, one of which being, going out amongst the people and interacting with them. A reply of 'just do something', based on what I've pointed out so far, reminds me a lot of, "do as I say, not as I do". Why would anyone act on that?
Finally, if Trump publicly apologized for lock her up, would it change anything? Would he be forgiven? Then why apologize?
