New official info on PS5, launching next holiday

[Trumpstyle]

Sarkar said:

Trumpstyle said:

You missed this "like the PS5, it will ditch the spinning hard drive for a solid-state drive."

The discussion about mechanical hard drive + ssd vs only ssd is over, it will be 1TB SSD.

Edit: Or to be more accurate 1TB NVMe drive probably 4+ GB/s speed.

So does that mean NVME drives will be a requirement on PC starting next year? Or will 3rd parties continue to design their games around regular HDD so they don’t leave the vast majority of PC gamers behind?

It will depend on what games you will be playing. Yes you will be forced to get an SSD, probably not in 1 year though. And no amount of Video ram or ddr will save you. I recommend Corsair MP510.

Pemalite said:

Trumpstyle said:

Dude it's time to give up the whole HDD + SSD combo, it DOESN'T WORK.

Clearly never seen it in action on a PC? Granted it's very algorithmic dependent, but if you use a PC with just a mechanical drive, then again with something like a Sandisk SSD readycache drive, the difference is night and day.
Still... It's not going to give you the same experience as a pure SSD setup, but that's not the point of it.

In saying that... For lots of small random reads/writes... Nothing can beat an SSD, but for sequential reads a mechanical hard drive isn't actually that bad and if you have a proper raid setup, can beat some SSD's in sequential reads.

Plus we have next-generation mechanical drives starting to trickle into the market with more than one read head.

Trumpstyle said:

We still have some unknows, Jason Schreier said both Microsoft/Sony was aiming for above 10,7TF but we don't know if he was talking about TF or gaming performance but sounded like TF. A leak called OBERON showed the PS5 gpu will be clocked at 2GHZ, FLUTE and GONZALO leak showed 1,8Ghz though and navi power consumption goes completely out of whack when it goes above 1,8ghz.

You clearly still haven't grasped the concept of what Teraflops actually means in relation to gaming performance... There is a relationship there.

Trumpstyle said:

PS5 might have 4GB ddr4 which will be used for SSD caching and take some burden of the OS but haven't listed it, don't know if Xbox has any DDR4 but no matter what Microsoft does they can't get above 10GB Vram available for games, this is based on the E3 Scarlet video and comments made by Drohler and Pemalite (they're hardware experts).

No one knows if the Playstation 5 or Xbox 4 will have DDR4.
We also don't know how much VRAM will be available for games... We do know that from the Scarlett reveal that the console is using 14Gbps memory... And that there is a mix of 1GB and 2GB modules.
That could mean any number of things though.... If it has 12GB it will likely be a 384bit memory bus with potentially 672GB/s of memory bandwidth... Or they may be leveraging a crossbar on a 256bit bus with a max of 448GB/s of bandwidth.

Ofc I have seen HDD + SSD on PC, it can be used to reduce loading times, Mark Cerny was talking about new gameplay experiences that is not possible on current hardware in that April wired article. You can ofc do the Drohler and Vivster solution but it's just bunch of silly talk.

Jason Schreier was talking about Google stadia and that MS/Sony aims to beat it, it has a vega 56 (10,7TF), that's what I meant, we don't know if he was talking about gaming performance or the actual number as you only need 7TF navi gpu to beat that gaming performance. But yes there is Vega TF, Navi TF, PC Navi TF and Console Navi TF.

Based on the E3 video there's only 2 possible memory conf for MS, 12-14GB Vram 320-bit bus(10GB for games at 560 GB/s memory bandwidth and 2-4GB Vram for OS slow speed) or 18GB Vram 256-bit bus(16GB Vram for games at 448 GB/s memory speed and 2GB for OS slow speed). Based on the insider we got they going for the first one. The E3 video wasn't really aimed at me but for you, drohler and Vivster to figure it out, I just got a bit lucky catching yours and Drohler comments hehe :), then I checked others gpu that have done the same thing.

If you or Drohler has other memory Confs I will ofc take them into my guess for next-gen but it can't be based on wishful thinking (384-bit bus??), not possible the E3 showed 8 gddr6 chips but the placement suggested 10 gddr6 chips and you could see enough of the board to rule 12 gddr6 chips out.

Last edited by Trumpstyle - on 15 October 2019