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Mar1217 said:
PAOerfulone said:

So are Cloud and Snake, but they got in. In fact, Snake was the first 3rd party character to make it. That hasn't stopped Nintendo and Sakurai before, why would it now?
And it's not like Crash is a Sony first party exclusive. 
The Game Boy Advance got its own trilogy of Crash games + a Kart racer; Wrath of Cortex was on the GameCube; And the N Sane Trilogy sold pretty well on the Switch. If anything, there's a stronger case to be made for Crash there is for Cloud or Snake. And if Sonic, Sega's mascot and Mario's rival could be in Smash Bros. along with Cloud, Snake, and Joker. Anyone is fair game.

Just saying though, Crash is a western IP that has a story reknown with Sony for the most part of his life. Banjo is the only one of it's kind and will be simply because it is ingrained in Nintendo history. Crash is not.

Meanwhile, Cloud is more a representative of the FF series as a whole, which marked it's debut and climb in popularity during the NES and SNES era, it makes itself a stronger case than a lot of other franchises honestly.

Joker is probably just a guilty trip from Sakurai who loves the series a lot.

Crash was fairly popular in Japan as well, despite being a Western IP. And you forget that Banjo is now owned by Microsoft, one of Nintendo's main competitors along with Sony, yet he got in. And for all this talk about Sony and how Crash's history is primarily PlayStation, there's one crucial thing to remember: The decision is not Sony's to make. Crash is owned by Activision, so they're the ones who make the call, not Sony or Naughty Dog. If Nintendo can strike a deal with Microsoft, why can't they do the same with Activision?

Cloud represents the FF series, but he mostly represents the Sony side of the series, when the franchise took off to become the premier console JRPG franchise in the world. And the game he comes from, Final Fantasy VII, was the end result of Nintendo and Square's relationship falling apart and why the game jumped from the N64 to the PS1. If it was Cecil or Terra, you'd have a point. But Cloud? The guy who is the manifestation and embodiment of that collapse between Nintendo and Square & Final Fantasy moving to PlayStation? There was just as big of a case for Cloud to be OUT of Smash as there was for him to be IN Smash.

Guilty trip or not, Joker is still in.

Last edited by PAOerfulone - on 14 October 2019