Joker: Your Take

[super_etecoon]

Snoopy said:

super_etecoon said:

And Joker could have easily not killed those three guys on the train, but simply identified with the murderer since he wore a clown mask. Joker oftentimes puts himself into the lives and roles of others as evidenced by the scenes on the talk show.  Yeah, that unreliable narator sure makes you doubt what could be perceived as reality at every turn.  Without an outside take on the events in this film it will probably be next to impossible to peg down any concrete moments.  Many rewatches may help this.  And who knows how intentional all of this is. It could have just been a cute way to trick the audience, but once you open the unreliable narrator "can of worms" it's hard to put them all back in.

I think we are supposed to know he is an unreliable narrator. The movie showed multiple times he imagines things all of the time. 

Understood.  But at some point it makes everything that happens to him in the film suspect.  I'm just wondering if Phillips wants us to question even the shooting of the people on the train.  Or the beatings that he supposedly takes.  Even the pity that we feel for him and the justification that people in this thread have for his actions are suspect and they might just be buying into the victim persona that he is creating to justify his evil qualities.  I'm not saying this is true; I'm just saying it's on the table for discussion.

Last edited by super_etecoon - on 09 October 2019