Official 2020 US Election: Democratic Party Discussion

[uran10]

Jumpin said:

uran10 said:

Let's start with the personality. I do not give a rats ass about who the person is, I care about policy and no other candidates besides Bernie and Tulsi support what I want, or do I trust what I want. Don't come with that to me. I'm populist left, that's it.

Now on to warren's record. I know of it, I've watched and seen it and let me tell you, she hasn't done as much as you think. She's basically wagged her finger at wall street bankers and called it fighting. She's called them out then essentially done nothing. Oh and here we are, the bernie bro smear. Did you know that over 50% of his supporters are female and that his base is incredibly diverse when you're coming with this? okay thanks bye with this. And no sir, she's not a progressive champion, she is a neoliberal plain and simple. She's obama like.

Okay On to the tulsi thing, I'm telling you she has a lot of supporters and a lot of berners are supporting her, So I don't know where you're coming from with this but I follow Tulsi very clearly and her main thing is foreign policy. Its not just bringing the troops home, its about ending the wars and supporting diplomatic relations. She's also very good domestically and she's already went on record for election integrity, she introduced a bill to congress, I forgot the name but It was along the lines of the safe elections act. Would have ensured paper ballots be used as backup during the elections amidst the russiagate BS. She also has the off act which btw, is better than AOC's Green new deal so yea, Tulsi's support is real. She's also supporting other progressive policies so lol no. I want you to pay attention to Tulsi's events. She fills them up, sometimes she has to move to bigger venues so when I'm telling you she has more support than these polls say I mean she does. Yang may be pushing it a bit but he's also an outsider which is why the polling most likely doesn't represent him properly. We went through this polling song and dance in 2016, anyone remember how that ended? Oh yea, bernie outperformed the polls.

Next one: Yes stealing bernie's ideas. Every single thing that bernie has introduced warren has taken and acted as if it was her creation over this election cycle. The only one she hasn't claimed is M4A cause she's wishy washy as all hell on it. Go through the legislation both have introduced before the election cycle, go back and listen to old bernie and old warren. Bernie has been light years ahead of her on basically everything, I mean he wasn't a republican throughout the Regan years like somebody and bought all that free market crap so yea. When I say she's stealing Bern's ideas I mean look at their policies and what they say. Bernie/Tulsi says something.... then warren parrots. pay attention, this even goes into talking points. (its still funny cause her stance is to the right of bernie and her policies reflect that and she's a neoliberal still. Better than the rest sure, but she's still in that category)

Warmonger.... this one is easy. HER PRO WAR VOTING RECORD. She's also voted to increase the military budget as well, and have you listened to her on Iran, Venezuela etc? Bro... fr When I say she's a neoliberal war hawk, all you have to do is watch her votes. This one is the clearest.

The only Social Democrats in this race are Bernie and Tulsi, their policies and record speak for themselves. You clearly need to do more research into warren and into Tulsi cause you've missed a lot of stances. Also no, I don't think Bernie invented anything I'm pretty sure he's just left of centre on the global scale so when I say she steals ideas I mean she literally takes the stuff he has been pushing over his 40 year career, act like she came up with this wonderful "plan" and pushes a half baked, watered down version of it.

M4A: she's wishy washy

Cancelling student debt: watered down
Like I can go on.

Instead of being so condescending maybe YOU should be the one doing research into their records cause you just said a WHOLE LOT OF MISINFORMATION.

Tulsi's pull out the troops thing is so unoriginal that it was also Obama's thing. I know the truth hurts, but there's nothing very remarkable about her. Also, I am not going to take your word for it that she's one of the most popular candidates and that the media is somehow suppressing this.

If you think only Bernie and Tulsi are social democrats than you most certainly lack an understanding of what social democracy is. I'd like to hear your definition of it; this should be good for a laugh =)

You claim she's a warmonger, but the evidence you are providing is not evidence of warmongering. You can't say someone intends to crash their car because they buy crash insurance.
Warmonger definition from the Miriam Webster Dictionary: "one who urges or attempts to stir up war."
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/warmonger

Again, Bernie Sanders DID NOT invent progressivism, period. This is not an opinion; this is not misinformation; this is a fact. You can read a brief overview of it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism

I'm sorry if you think it's misinformation when I say that Bernie didn't invent progressivism. The only reason you think he did is that you are beyond delusional and lack much knowledge on the subject of progressivism or its history. So I sincerely believe you are a typical right-wing concern troll or an extraordinarily ignorant Bernie fanboy.

It's not by design that you find my criticisms of your attacks condescending, that's all on you and your high level of sensitivity. You shouldn't write such ridiculously false attack posts that you can neither back up nor handle it when you receive criticism for them.

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The irony of defending against these wild Bernie cult-of-personality types (like the guy above) is that I like Bernie Sanders quite a lot. But I do find their segment of his so-called fanbase to be ludicrously ignorant, and I don't think progressives should tolerate them. They're counterproductive to the worldwide progressive movement. They always repeat some conspiracy theory with the "corporate media," indicating they probably watch some youtube jackass like Ben Shapiro or Jimmy Dore.

Bernie didn't ask for this cult of personality, and I don't think he would want anyone in his support base to be this way. The mentality is a cancer upon democracy. When it becomes acceptable, the gateway for demagogues opens. Anyone who is an actual progressive should recognize this, and mercilessly stomp out that mentality whenever it rears its ugly head. It doesn't matter if that cancer favours Trump or if it favours Bernie, all cancer is bad.

I honestly feel like you did not read a thing I said. You're literally ignoring what I said when it comes to warren stealing bernie's idea to reiterate your debunked point. seriously. Did I once state the bernie invented progressivism or is that just the one point you're clinging too to try to hold some high ground where there is none?

re-read my tulsi section, or go read her web site or actually follow her politics cause you clearly ignored what I said again. And its not about the personality. I literally said Idgaf. If I was all about bernie I wouldn't be here defending tulsi as well. You're literally ignoring my points to try to act like I'm some cultish follower of sanders because I think warren is a snake and not a social democrat. I'm sorry her neoliberal hawkish ways disqualify her from being one. As of now I'm definitely not gonna respond to you again because you clearly have an agenda and for that to work you mischaracterise me and I aint dealing with that.

Thanks for literally ignoring my points, if you're gonna come back, please come with some actual responses and some policy.