Official 2020 US Election: Democratic Party Discussion

[Bofferbrauer2]

Jumpin said:

Bofferbrauer2 said:

The thing is that she lost most of the rust states by just a couple thousand votes. Having even just some Bernie supporters following the Bernie or bust motto and abstain from voting is therefore enough to give Trump the advantage - or at least that's what some democrats think and are since hating Bernie for that. Trump won Michigan by less than 11k votes, Pennsylvania by 44k and Wisconsin by 23k. All of those are within one percent and total 46 electoral votes, enough to flip the entire election in favor of Clinton.

I'm not saying that I believe he's the reason that Clinton lost (I don't), just that some believe he's the reason she did, as I explained further down in the previous post. I just wanted to explain why some democrats do think Sanders is he reason that Trump is president now, not Clinton.

Btw, your calculation has one fallacy: The total amount of voters grew by 7M. At the 2016 election, there were a total of 135.7M, while in 2012, there were only 128.7M people who voted. The republicans raised their amount of votes by 2M, most of the rest went to third parties. That means that Clinton lost voters, as otherwise it would have been more balanced (as in ±3M for each candidate and the rest for 3rd parties). In fact, she got about 150k less voters than Obama did in 2012. Not a huge amount, but still some regression on that front, too, despite the rather large increase in total voters.

Bernie isn't responsible for the fact that a large portion of his fans are not actual progressives, but rather just "Bernie or Bust" people who pretend to be progressive. Anyone who even had the remote interest in progressivism would have certainly voted Clinton over Trump since she was clearly far more progressive than he was on not just a policy level, but a wider philosophical level. It's not simply that these "Bernie or Bust" people were not just abstaining from the vote either, they were actively campaigning for others not to vote Democratic in the election; they were indirectly working for the Republicans.

Yeah, I know that too. I was just pointing out how these people potentially cost Clinton the election since the rust belt state were so damn close she would have won them with just a couple more votes and why some hate Bernie in return because of those jerks.