Matrix 4’ Officially a Go With Keanu Reeves, Carrie-Anne Moss and Lana Wachowski

[DonFerrari]

Hiku said:

DonFerrari said:

Samurai X kinemaban is a material done to tell the same history on the movie, so it isn't neither sequel nor reboot.

The picture I posted wasn't from Kinema-ban (2012). However, Kinema-ban is an alternate version of the original manga. Characters meet in a totally different situation than they do in the first series.
Which is why it's referred to as a reboot, or a reinvention.







The movie you're referring to is a live-action film that came out after this manga began.

What I was talking about though, and the picture I attached to my previous post, is from the Hokkaido manga, which is a direct sequel, and began in December 2017.



"Following the events of Rurouni Kenshin, an older Kenshin has settled down with his wife Kaoru"

This series is by no means over, with new chapters still coming out in 2019.

DonFerrari said:

Gundam is a series not one book so not sure why you are trying to fit it in here.

Because you made a point of how "Dragonball anime stayed done for 20 years". So anime/manga that go on and on would be the opposite of that.
Though also because some of those Gundam stories do get sequels or reboots/a re-telling after they reach an ending.

Gundam SEED for example was written as a self contained story that was supposed to end where it ended. But due to its popularity, and the sale of toys/models, Sunrise and Bandai decided they wanted a sequel. And a prevalent opinion among fans was that it should have ended with the original story. Same comment you made about Matrix 1.
Although the difference is that at the end of Gundam SEED the antagonists had been defeated. At the end of Matrix 1, the antagonists (except for the agents) still remained a problem that needed to be resolved. And the writers planned for it to be a trilogy from the start.

DonFerrari said:
Sure you can go on, and still that wouldn't be the norm of manga, it is with several of the stuff you put something that started happening couple of years ago.

It's not the norm for movies either. But due to the format of feature films (120 minutes or so), one part isn't enough to match the length of anime/manga with multiple arcs.
Though 'norm' wasn't what you originally said, but "once something is done is done."

And that definitely doesn't apply to neither Kenshin nor Dragonball, or many other popular anime/manga series.

DonFerrari said:
The stories that have been going for 20 years haven't been finished and aren't being streched, so no sense in mixing them together.

Stories that go on consistently for 20+ years are commonly being stretched. And take that much longer to reach their (temporary?) ending. Because they don't have time to write as much of the story they want to write, due to publishers pressuring them for new chapter consistently. So they instead write what they're able to come up with in that short time frame.

Akira Toriyama began writing Majin Buu arc chapters before he even thought about Majin Buu. He started writing simple things like Gohan going to school and playing baseball, and stopping bank robbers, while he was thinking up the more important plot points.
That's not an ideal way of writing. But Shounen Jump wanted their weekly chapters, etc.
If they had given him time to breathe, the story would naturally have been shorter.

Some of these long running stories were supposed to end much earlier than they did. Dragonball as an example again, was originally supposed to end when they first collected all dragonballs.

Fuyuto Takeda: And then serialization began, but from the beginning, how much of the story had you already planned?
Toriyama:I hadn’t thought it up at all. I figured it would probably end in about a year, and I had only really prepared storyboards for three chapters.
Dragon Ball, which I planned on lasting one year when I started, has now been in serialization so long that it’s surpassed Dr. Slump! I feel both happy and scared…

What was originally intended to be a story that would span 50 chapters or so, became 519. And now it has an additional 48 more, and still going.

DonFerrari said:

Akira is even funnier because you are admiting it isn't really getting a sequel, the movie just told a part of the story and didn't continue.

No one knows what the new Akira anime will be yet.
However, I said that the anime didn't cover 1/4 of the story. Not that it didn't end. It did.
It ends with the same battle as the final manga battle, but the road there had been different from the manga. But more notably than what was told differently is how much of the manga it skipped, since it skipped a lot more than it changed.

If it ends up being a continuation of the 1988 film, then it would be a new story. Code Geass for example recently did that this year, 11 years after it had originally ended.
Whatever it ends up being though, it's a noteworthy anime to mention. As with the new Matrix.

Also, I didn't make fun of anything you said. And I planned on continuing to be courteous in my replies. But since you unnecessarily decided to throw in "its even funnier", do you also find it funny that you not only gave two of the worst possible examples of manga that were "done", but also reprimanded @Ka-pi96 for not knowing Kenshin to mean he "probably knows very little anime/manga", when you were oblivious to Kenshin having an ongoing sequel. Even after I said so and posted a picture.

Being mistaken is fine. But starting to be condescending for no reason is usually not a good idea in a discussion.

Eeeerrr I'm sorry if you understood it as being condescending. It was more like "how can you not know one of the best mangas over there". And as he said later he know about rurouni kenshin but seems like he just didn't associate with the X scar (not sure how many countries used the name Samurai X, just like Saint Seiya vs Les Chevaliers du Zodiac).

I consider kinema-ban as a comemorative issue, since it tells a very summarized version, but if you want to call it a reboot no problem. The sequel had new released? Because I saw something like 3 chapters and then had the arrest of the author so I had basically erased the sequel from memory.

Call it misinformation but at least in Brazil what we got was that Matrix was a single movie, then like years later heard about sequel. Just look at the 4 years gap from 1 to 2 and 3 being almost together released. They may claim it was always a trilogy, and if you have source of it in 1999 claiming it I would like. Because The way the 2 other movies were made doesn't seem like they were all really tied together from the get-go. Anyway that isn't much of importance since most here don't see how a sequel would go or what they want to tell (except of course they decide to betray the end of the previous movie and make that there were no truce, the machines or humans were lying and used the truce to win and the 4th will tell this story).

I don't follow much gundam, I see them like Super Sentai or the like (similar to Power Rangers and the original material in Japan) a mega franchise that have a new plot each time (rangers in japan is like one series per year), so there being interlinked series, reboots or sequels on it I wouldn't venture describing.

Sequels are very much a norm on USA movies, at least in Brazil it is even a joke on the Friday 14th, Nightmare on Elm Street, and other scary movies. Action Movies like Rambo, Rocky, Fast and Furious. Among many others. And my biggest grip is with comics, where they can't just let the stuff be finished. On the manga we have to go for the exception to find the reboots or sequels (probably have 100 animes on my crunchyroll and perhaps 300 manga everywhere that were short and self contained) while on Comics almost all well know comic heroes have been retelling the same story for 50-100 years every 5-10 years.

In the manga usually each mangaka have his story to told with his character and when he finishes that is it (some spin-off occurs), on comics you narrow down most of the heroes to the likes of Jack Kirbie and Stan Lee (with a few other big names) with everyone else recycling those and not making a name for themselves or a comic of themselves, few exceptions that made a series that got it own following (like Dark Knight).

Dragon Ball was already admitted to being the biggest offender on manga side. Toriyama wanted to finish it with goku still a kid (besides what you put of 1 year duration you put), but then pushed to tell the Saiyans tale, then to go to freeza, then Buu, then at least GT he wasn't involved, and decades later Super. For me this have dropped the quality of Dragon Ball a lot.

The series got pushed by publishers to either take longer or shorter to develop? Yes, and with some fillers and some slowing in the pace as well. But most of time (and for the ones I listed) when you read it there isn't pointless lost content throw in them.

Slam Dunk is one manga that was finished but not finished and everyone wants the "sequel" at least to finish telling their high school years and/or give glimpses of their adulthood. But it is understandable that he don't want to degrade his work with a sequel because the manga is about those 5 guys fighting together, there is no point in making a second year with Goro and Mitsui out of it, although Sakuragi is the main character the team as a whole is almost as important.