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SuaveSocialist on 16 August 2019
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VAMatt said:
SuaveSocialist said:

1.  The level it decreased to is still so high that it cannot be stated that firearms ownership makes people safer or even has a causal influence in the trend, especially when compared to the levels held by developed nations with gun control (many of which are experiencing decreased levels of their own).


2.  Firearms ownership is not a basic human right.  It's not even acknowledged as a human right (check the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights if you don't believe me).  Heck, West Korea is virtually the only developed country that holds it as a right for its own citizens, and even West Korea fails to advocate for its adoption globally.

1)  Okay.  What's your point?  

2) The right to defend yourself is absolutely a human right. 

1.  That the decrease is an irrelevant data point when arguing in favor of gun ownership/proliferation, meritless to those who understand what numbers mean.

2.  Unfortunately, there has been a consensus among all nations, from civilization's inception to the present day, that all rights (be they real or imagined by yourself) are subject to limitations.  And further, that limitations do not inherently equate to infringements on those rights.

Appropriately enough, humanity has long since reached the consensus that gun control is not an infringement on self defense.  Were it so, West Korean leaders would be continuing an age-old condemnation of virtually every other developed nation for their 'human rights violation' of gun control.  Instead, West Korea is conspicuously soft.  What are the odds?

If you wish to argue in favor of gun control, the argument will need to meet a minimum standard of logic and accuracy.