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Jaicee said:
tsogud said:

Well on the topic of anal sex; women can and do achieve orgasm from consensual anal sex. The caveat is that the person doing the penetration needs to know how to perform it properly (sadly most straight cis men don't) and the receiver needs to be knowledgeable enough about their own body to know if it's right for them. Some people just can't do anal due to personal or medical reasons. Men and Women both weren't "designed" to have anal sex, we've just come to figure out that it is another way of having a fulfilling orgasm for both sexes. Anal sex does hurt but it hurts for anybody, especially if it's your first time, it's just the way the anus works but proper knowledge and execution minimizes discomfort/pain and it's perfectly safe to perform. It seems you have some misconceptions of anal sex, it's just one of numerous ways different individuals derive pleasure.

Being an inter-sectional feminist I do agree with most, if not all, of your views but your conclusion to outright ban and outlaw these practices and criminalize these individuals is where you lose me and it's one of the reasons I don't subscribe to your brand of feminism. There are A LOT of wrongs with these practices/industries, some of which you have so eloquently explained, but the fact of the matter is that if we made these things illegal, it will only hurt the women involved. Really, the only way forward that I can see is to legalize and regulate it so we can give the care these women deserve so they have a better standard of living.

I would like to know what you think is the best way to achieve the outlawing of these industries and practices and what should be done with the displaced women that were involved? I'm genuinely curious.

The main effect of legalizing the prostitution of women is and will always be to simply make it more common, not better. While we shouldn't penalize women for working in prostitution, purchasing sex from someone is not principally different from raping them. It really isn't. That's making someone have sex with you who almost certainly wouldn't otherwise, and mind you strictly on their terms at that. That simply cannot be allowed in my book.

As to what should be done with those who are displaced, robust exit support services that would offer temporary accommodation, help in applying for crisis loans or disability benefits, counseling, advocacy, and advice are required to help women successfully transition out of the sex industry and into other fields of work.

(Concerning anal sex, what I have spoken to is the rule of how it is experienced. I won't get any popularity points for pointing this out, but the simple truth of the matter is that the nature of authentic female sexual pleasure tends toward the unfashionably vanilla. And no, I'm not for outlawing anal sex or what have you. I pointed out a connection it's growing commonality and the proliferation of online pornography as part of my larger argument against pornography as an institution and proposed that online pornography should be blocked.)

Your view of prostitution and legalization are somewhat archaic. The legalization of something doesn't really make it more common, it just makes it so we can control the quality of life for the women. I totally understand where you're coming from when you say it's similar to rape, especially now in America because there's little effective legislation for it. Ultimately though it's not rape, one's a consensual transaction and the other is a non-consenual violent attack. The ways we can improve the industry to transform it into something that is not so similar to rape is through legalization and legislation. It'll help the women to feel empowered to go to the police when something is wrong instead of hiding due to fear of repercussions.

I like your plan on the exit support from the industry, we really need robust exit support services now tbh.

Yeah, if you're looking for "authentic" sexual pleasure, you wouldn't do anal if you're male or female, you'd just do plain vanilla sex. Anal is just another way to experience an orgasm for both sexes and both sexes will experience pain if not done properly and sometimes even when it is done properly. I'm not about shaming someone who enjoys vanilla sex, if that's what you want and like you do you boo but there are other ways to have an orgasm and sometimes, depending on the person, it can be even more intense.

My view is that in a perfect world we wouldn't have prostitution and all these problems we've been talking about but the sad truth of the matter is that prostitution is here and no matter how hard we try, it won't go away because humans will find a way to do anything, legal or illegal. So the best course of action is to control the quality of life through legislation and help curb the issues these women face and have a higher level of accountability in these industries to uphold a good, healthy standard for these individuals.