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[MrWayne]

Jaicee said:

MrWayne said:

What do you mean by "no difference in spirit"? You're not forcing someone to have sex with you just because you offer to spend money for it. In your view sex workers seem to have absolutely no agency over their decicions. You're loading your arguments with heavy emotional wight(likely a rape survivor) but are you aware that our proposal would be a major infringement on the right of self determination?

No one has the right to buy another person's body! Not as far as I'm concerned! People who buy sex are taking advantage of others who are in a vulnerable mental-emotional state for their own personal benefit. I don't see what is so difficult to understand about that. It's a horrible, parasitic, typically misogynistic practice.

I also don't think that it's actually an audacious thing to suggest the above either. A survey on the topic of prostitution out of Ontario, Canada conducted last summer, for example found that 75% of people (including 81% of women) even in such a liberal-minded environment as that believe prostitution is bad for women and girls, that furthermore six in ten Ontarians oppose legalizing such practices as buying sex, brothel ownership, and pimping, and that just 28% consider being a prostitute a normal job to hold like the term "sex work" implies it to be. And again, that's in a pretty liberal-minded political environment, globally speaking. I point it out because people here are treating me like I'm some kind of aberrant, dangerous freak of nature for holding a perfectly normal opinion that aligns with that of probably most of the world's population (and especially its women) on this subject. It's this community that holds the unusual opinions when it comes to matters like prostitution, not me. I may be a radical feminist, but you don't exactly have to be one to find prostitution problematic!

Here lies the problem, not all sex workers are in a vulnerable mental-emotional state. If prostitution is "buying another person's body" then so is every other work. So I disagree with you both for moral and for practical reasons.

I know that world wide speaking most people would disagree with me but that's not really a argument.

Jaicee said:

coolbeans said:

I follow you on the mental-emotional complexities; however, the base of both occupations comes back to said workers still having agency over their bodies* and deciding to agree to the transaction.  A trade of x value for y value.  A man forcing himself onto another man/woman without their consent is absolutely vile and doesn't share this key aspect with prostitution.   

*(to emphasize again: this is disregarding the uglier stories of sex trafficking to focus on the principle of this argument)

You're not getting it. My point in comparing prostitution and rape is that, once the transaction is made, the one party, for all intents and purposes, LOSES their free will, their bodily autonomy, and they DON'T typically enjoy it! I have but proposed that such a surrender should not be an option. That's not the same thing as taking away a woman's self-determination, but more like assuring it by removing the commercial factor. That's how I view it.

Same can be said about every other work. Also if you legalise prostitution you can assure that sex workers don't have to do everything the customers want.

Edit: Actually the-pi-guy puts it perfectly.

Last edited by MrWayne - on 11 August 2019