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GoOnKid on 11 August 2019
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Azzanation said:
GoOnKid said:

Sorry to bust in but I think one major reason for this entire argument is that you believe the problem was binary, when it's actually not. This is not a question of 'either this or that', it's rather a spectrum. Having stricter gun laws does not automatically mean that the government takes anything away from you. It also doesn't mean that suddenly these massacres vanish over night. But it's a first step to decrease the chances of such massacres. That's what this is about. We all know and agree that bad things can happen anytime anywhere, but what anti-gunners simply want is to decrease the chances. This is really not that hard to grasp.

If laws were stricter the amount of guns will decrease slowly. Again, this is not binary, so it won't happen over night, but we're talking about slow processes that may take several years of time. And then next, with fewer guns in the wild, chances will logically decrease that guns will be violated and therefore fewer people will die unnecessary deaths. Everybody would be safer in general. Wouldn't you want that, too?

I understand both points however its not those who buy guns from shops that are the ones going on these killing sprees. Its also not what Americans want by removing freedom from there citizens because that's basically what it is, removing freedom from those who didn't do anything wrong. Just because some mental idiots go on rampages doesn't mean we need to take away things from the good people.

A gun is a weapon. The single intent of a gun is to kill or injure another person. The ownership of a gun is just one tiny part of freedom. Again, this is not the entirety of freedom. You are thinking in 0 and 1 when in reality life actually has much more in between. This one tiny part of freedom is one that yes, I believe, should be regulated. This has nothing to do with robbing you of every aspect of freedom whatsoever and it also has nothing at all to do with a government bullying you around. It's rather the government taking measures to protect its' citizens, which should naturally be the most basic purpose of any form of cilvilization. A life is much more important than being allowed to carry weapons.

What you guys want is for the US to phase out guns completely to a point where its like Australia where you can get guns but its extremely difficult that its basically not worth it. 

Basically yes. And that is nothing to be afraid of. Most parts of the first world already evolved towards that because they understood how to balance the value of life against the value of owning a weapon. 

How about ban cigarettes because they cause more deaths per year than these shootings. DO we take cigarettes away from people? DO you stop people from driving cars? do we take the extreme to avoid these death tolls because we care about saving lives, or do you just hate guns and so guns are to blame but anything else that can kill you is okay because a road death is different to a shooting death.

The topic is not about drugs or cars, but about guns. Guns are weapons with the single purpose to kill or to injure other people. Weapons should be regulated. If you carry a weapon around you are a menace to society.

Human culture is to just point the finger because something has to get blamed, lets not blame the culture.

Lets say we put laws on guns in the US which will make it harder to buy weapons, over the course of the years guns start to phase out, shootings still happen in this time frame, so the government has to place blame on the next closest thing, weather that be to ban video games or censor them like they did with Hatred in Australia where I cannot purchase the game due to its violence. Is that what we want? because that's what will end up happening.

Again, these events will not vanish completely, they will still happen, but probably not very frequently. I am aware that bad things can happen anytime anwhere, but the chances will be much smaller. If then such a crime happens again we can talk about the real issues at hand but we are far away yet because we are circling around because some believe that the right to carry a weapon is more important than public safety. Or even worse, that people could be safer when they all are armed.

Hatred is by the way a truly terrible game with no appeal at all but shock value. Good riddance.

If we love lives this much than ban everything because a life is a life.

We love life and that's why it's important to protect it. But arming the population is the wrong way. 

In bold.