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VAMatt on 11 August 2019
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Ganoncrotch said:
Azzanation said:

Alright so do you honestly believe if they take the guns away from the people (it will be the only way to come anywhere close to stopping shootings, we cannot just place laws as laws can be broken) that it will actually stop shootings? You believe that a criminal master mind or some mental head wont be able to get a gun or cause a massive crime scene in the US? 

What if after banning guns, another shooting happens, what will they take away next? Video Games? 

Australia is a heavily monitored country where the lack of freedom is laughable compared to the US. You cannot do anything in Australia without being looked at or fined. Cannot even lower your car height to much without it being illegal. But hey, if lowering a car too low is a danger to lives than I guess it makes sense.. oh wait it has nothing to do with saving lives. Its government control. Heck we have the most speed cameras in the world compared to anywhere else because placing cameras down hills and on roads where the speed changes drastically helps prevent lives.. or is it a money making industry? hmm

Drugs and Guns are very different. If you are saying they are the same thing than we might as well put everything into the same barrel. Everything can kill you so we need to monitor and restrict everyone from doing everything. We live in a Country that is so controlled its beyond a joke. We gave in to Gun laws a long time ago, but than shortly after, we gave them everything else, video games getting banned, knifes getting banned, bats, Cars cannot be lowered or have neon lights, highly restricted on modifying cars etc. Australia gave in and now basically we lost more than just guns. People waste there money paying fines they cannot afford because of our government. 

USA still has all that freedom because the public doesn't want to start the dictatorship and start taking freedom away from the citizens. Having a gun is a form of freedom, just like everything else (Not drugs, Drugs are designed to be evil)

But the stupidest thing Australia has going for it, is its Justice system, We allow murderers to walk free after 4 years, we allow mental heads to drive cars and allow idiots to walk the street. Take something away, they will find another avenue or still get what they wanted anyway. 

My final opinion on this matter is I am all for adding more gun laws and removing guns form the streets however.. I don't believe it will solve the shootings. US is too deep with its own problems that the only way to stop these shootings is to actually find these mental idiots and remove them from the streets. 

If you disagree that's okay, but that's just my opinion.

Legit question for ya, considering your main desire for good guys to have guns is so that good guys can stop bad guys with guns.... how many mass shooters have been stopped by good guys with guns, that aren't cops?

How many of these active shooter situations have been stopped by a civilian taking out their gun and shooting the one who is doing the mass shooting?

I personally would not draw my gun in a situation where cops were joining a scene and I was a civilian with a weapon... because I would perfectly expect the cop to assume I was the shooter and to put me down.

But yeah... just wondering if you know how many times a gun wielding Civilian has stopped a mass shooting.

As for your ... if they put laws in to stop killers being able to get guns, then they'll try to stop us putting neon lights on cars... will you also get cats marrying dogs down that same route? What I mean to say is, don't do that in an argument. If you allow X to happen..... then what's next! It's not a good practice for discussion the topic at hand.

It is essentially impossible to answer how many were stopped by a good guy with a gun.  They were stopped.  So, some of them ended with just one or two victims, rather than the larger number that would have happened without the armed person bringing an end to it.  Those aren't reflected in the mass shooting stats, obviously. There are lots of stats about defensive gun uses available though.  A Google search will give you lots of good info about that.  

I'll note that anyone with a gun and a chance to stop a shooting in progress, scared of being shot or not, damn sure better do everything they can to stop it.  I can't think of anything more cowardly that to see a gunman killing people right in front of you, *while you have a reasonable chance of bringing the gunman down* and just doing nothing.   

Last edited by VAMatt - on 11 August 2019