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[EricHiggin]

Machiavellian said:

EricHiggin said:

Not sure what's unclear. People take many things into account when responding to another. If you don't then the conversation will get away from you.

Yes, go back to Mexico and work there, and bring back a report when you're done, that's what racist people say, ok...  If your a Mexican and work for an American company... and get told to go work at a job in Mexico, is that racist? What if the black guy lives in a mixed neighborhood? Would the white guy automatically be racist or prejudice or just stupid for assuming? Did you assume that? Trump is a businessman correct?... If any of the congresswoman were to try their idea's in another country they're from or respect, and failed, they would be seen as bad employees. See what he's doing? Trump rarely bothers killing one bird when he knows he can wait and get two or three with one throw. He even got Pelosi to go from criticizing them to backing them. Well which is it Nancy?

Yes that is what prejudice people say.  Go back to wherever you are from and since you do not understand how offensive it is, you probably think it as well.  Why don't we stop with the word racist and use the proper term that way you can stay on point.  Yes, if a white person told a black man to go back to his neighborhood he would be prejudice and stupid.  One doesn't have to be exclusive from the other.

At BOLDED: The reason that statement is totally wrong is because they are US citizens.  Just because you want to dismiss this point doesn't make your statement any better.  It would be the same as suggesting that Trump go back to Germany and institute his policy and if it is wrong he would be a bad employee.  You are not questioning Trump citizenship or him as a American but somehow just because these 4 women isn't what you view as your standard American, you make these insulting statements.  As to your last sentence, lol  I guess Trump is playing 3D chess while everyone is playing checkers.

If an American is told to go back to America, is that racist? What is America in terms of race?

If an American was in another country and was told to go back to the US it would be considered Prejudice.  As stated before, Since I never used the word racist, you can stop using that word.  I believe you know what Prejudice mean so you keep avoiding saying it because Trump statement is classic prejudice.

So is what Trump said stupid or racist or prejudice? If any of them have immigrated to America before becoming an American citizen, then what? You also realize he's criticizing them and not himself right? Why would he tell himself to leave if he thinks he's doing a good job?

What Trump said was Stupid and definitely prejudice.  Racist not so much but it has classic racial tone.  The statement has been used by racist and prejudiced people far longer than you have been on this earth.  The fact he was stupid enough to state them publicly is a statement to his character. It really doesn't matter if they were made US citizens yesterday.  They would still be US citizens and Americans.  It would be dismissive of what they went through to become citizens in the US and an insult.  Trump is criticizing their rights to their opinions and status as US congresswomen as if what they have to say is invalid.  There is no way around this very obvious fact.  He is not criticizing their policy, he is criticizing their right to even have an opinion and policy in the US.

AT BOLDED:  lol, if you knew how you just accepted that he told US citizens to leave the US and tried to normalize it you probably would have left that statement out.  You should think long and hard how that one line make you look and how you try to normalize such speech from a President who is suppose to represent all of US.

Not everyone has the same tastes. Just because I like the taste of something doesn't mean you do as well, or that you should. If I think someone dresses like a bum, should I constantly throw that in their face and call them names and put them down, or let them look like that because that's how they express themselves? Should we force people not to smoke or drink? What about banning certain speech?

OK.

Show me where Epstein did this for separate negative reasons. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. Even if he did, I'd still expect someone to point out that even though he made a significant charitable donation, which will surely be put to good use, that he's still a POS and that it doesn't make him a good person overall. That doesn't negate that he did something useful, and what minuscule respect it gives him, overall he would still be viewed as a terrible person. People aren't 100% good or evil. Everyone is a varying mixture.

Who cares if the price Epstein felt to cover his sins was to do something charitable it still wasn't a charity, it was a bribe.  That is the difference when you do something charitable seeking no gain compared wen you do something charitable seeking to gain something in return.  Still, you have made no argument on why anyone would praise him for it or respect him.  If his motives were to do it wash away his sins but he still continued to sin then it was a empty gesture.

Yes that is what prejudice people say.  Go back to wherever you are from and since you do not understand how offensive it is, you probably think it as well.  Why don't we stop with the word racist and use the proper term that way you can stay on point.  Yes, if a white person told a black man to go back to his neighborhood he would be prejudice and stupid.  One doesn't have to be exclusive from the other.

At BOLDED: The reason that statement is totally wrong is because they are US citizens.  Just because you want to dismiss this point doesn't make your statement any better.  It would be the same as suggesting that Trump go back to Germany and institute his policy and if it is wrong he would be a bad employee.  You are not questioning Trump citizenship or him as a American but somehow just because these 4 women isn't what you view as your standard American, you make these insulting statements.  As to your last sentence, lol  I guess Trump is playing 3D chess while everyone is playing checkers.

If an American was in another country and was told to go back to the US it would be considered Prejudice.  As stated before, Since I never used the word racist, you can stop using that word.  I believe you know what Prejudice mean so you keep avoiding saying it because Trump statement is classic prejudice.

What Trump said was Stupid and definitely prejudice.  Racist not so much but it has classic racial tone.  The statement has been used by racist and prejudiced people far longer than you have been on this earth.  The fact he was stupid enough to state them publicly is a statement to his character. It really doesn't matter if they were made US citizens yesterday.  They would still be US citizens and Americans.  It would be dismissive of what they went through to become citizens in the US and an insult.  Trump is criticizing their rights to their opinions and status as US congresswomen as if what they have to say is invalid.  There is no way around this very obvious fact.  He is not criticizing their policy, he is criticizing their right to even have an opinion and policy in the US.

AT BOLDED:  lol, if you knew how you just accepted that he told US citizens to leave the US and tried to normalize it you probably would have left that statement out.  You should think long and hard how that one line make you look and how you try to normalize such speech from a President who is suppose to represent all of US.

Who cares if the price Epstein felt to cover his sins was to do something charitable it still wasn't a charity, it was a bribe.  That is the difference when you do something charitable seeking no gain compared wen you do something charitable seeking to gain something in return.  Still, you have made no argument on why anyone would praise him for it or respect him.  If his motives were to do it wash away his sins but he still continued to sin then it was a empty gesture.

Prejudice - a preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.

Leave and do good things and then come back with something useful that will be helpful? That's what prejudice people say? On Earth?

Does Trump like Germany? Does he think Germany is a better country than America and that America should implement some of it's policies?

Why would telling an American to go back to their country be prejudice if you were using reason or experience in your remark? What about the black guy and his neighborhood? Why would you tell someone to go back home for no reason whatsoever? Maybe because you're a racist or nationalist possibly?

I don't agree you can necessarily be both stupid and prejudice. If someone is too stupid to know the difference between something, how can you say they are prejudice and be mad at them for that?

Trump isn't basing what he said on reason or experience? Sure you're not talking about some of the things said to or about Trump?

Of course he is. If someone had children, and those children were clearly well off overall, and all they did was complain about how their family sucked so much, are you telling me the parents should just put up with it and accept it? I don't know about you, but I'd teach those ungrateful kids a lesson. The sooner they learn, the less harsh you'd have to be. Some people never seem to learn though...

He told them to leave and come back, since they are so great they will easily make another country better off than America with their idea's and can rub it in Trumps face when they return. Problem is that would never happen even if they tried and everyone knows it.

I should think long and hard about Trump not telling himself to leave the country? W.T..F...?

How do you know this about Epstein? You mean like if you ask God for forgiveness, that the next time you sin you're done for good? Or do you continually get the chance to confess and be forgiven, only to sin again because you are a human that makes mistakes? Now you may sin more often and be a worse human because of that overall, but it doesn't negate any good you've done. It does make it much tougher to see the person in a positive light the more serious their sins though.