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[KLAMarine]

Biggerboat1 said:

KLAMarine said:

The onus is on you to show that his donations are self-serving.

I already said previously "If you think Trump donating a completely insignificant amount of money (relative to his wealth), which he actually promised to do on his campaign trail (if he was doing it out of benevolence, why tell anyone?) isn't self-serving then I don't know what to tell you..."

I guess, for you, self-serving won't be proven until you have Trump's diary in your hands with the words "I am self-serving" written on every other page... There's a difference between a skeptic & an ostrich! Anyway I'm gonna call it a day in regards to talking to you, but just so you know I actually appreciate your input to these topics as you argue your points so badly that you essentially advocate for the views you're opposing :)

It still doesn't explain why you go on to say the point about donating to a homeless person... But alas, I've officially given up on trying to make sense of your incoherent ramblings... Good day sir!

"I guess, for you, self-serving won't be proven until you have Trump's diary in your hands with the words "I am self-serving" written on every other page..."

>Something like that. I can't prove Trump gives to charity because he just wants the good PR.

I can't read minds.

Puppyroach said:

KLAMarine said:

"No, they still have to pay him.  That's the law.  He still gets the money deposited into his account 4 times per year.  But if you mean the government regains the $400k, then you could say he's trying to save the government that much each year but then he also cut hundreds of billions from the tax revenue."

>And also cut from spending, yes?

"You don't have to mention race itself to be racist."

>As a skeptic, I need him to mention race.

"He told 4 people of color to go back to the country they came from."

>Did he name names?

"Despite 3 of them having been born here. What facet of these 4 women elicits a suggestion that they go back to their home country?  Could it be that they look like they came from a foreign country?  Otherwise, where does thought even originate from?"

>Could stem from foreign-sounding names. I would question if someone was from the US if they had a name that didn't sound typical.

"If they were 4 white looking women, do you seriously think he would have made the same comment?  Probably not.  Therefore he only said what he said because of their race/ethnicity. Hence...racist."

>Or because of their names, whoever these individuals are...

"But it's more than just that.  He has a history of derogatory language that follows a similar thought process. You can't just put everything he says in a vacuum and ignore his previous inflammatory remarks."

>The guy may be an asshole but that doesn't make him racist.

"But let's flip the table.  Tell me why it wasn't racist."

>Allow me to copy-paste: Trump's tweets made zero mention of race hence I don't consider them racist.

Seriously? You call yourself a skeptic and need him to use the word "race" in order to call him a racist? So, as long as he doesn´t use that specific word, even if he knows he is a racist, you cannot make that conclusion simply because he didn´t use that word?

If you sat in a jury, you wouldn´t be able to convict a burglar of a crime unless the burglar specifically says that he/she committed a burglary? You are incapable of drawing conclusions based on the evidence you have in front of you? In that case you have made it really easy for all the racists, fascists, anti-semites and bigots of the world. They simply just avoid certain words and they get a pass from you ;).

"Seriously? You call yourself a skeptic and need him to use the word "race" in order to call him a racist?"

>No, I need him to use someone's race as a means to insult them. Telling someone to go back to some country, fix its problems, and then return does not qualify.

"If you sat in a jury, you wouldn´t be able to convict a burglar of a crime unless the burglar specifically says that he/she committed a burglary?"

>A burglar can be found in possession of stolen property or caught in the act. Someone saying something without making any reference to race means they said something while never making any reference to race. As a skeptic, I need it to be there explicitly.

Paperboy_J said:
"The guy may be an asshole but that doesn't make him racist."

Does it really matter at this point? As if one is any better than the other? The guy is trash, plain and simple. I mean you're just splitting hairs at this point.

Being a skeptic means I have to split hairs.