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Azzanation said:

I still don't understand why you wouldn't include Halo Reach into the debate. Just because the story is a spin off doesn't mean its not a mainline Halo game. Reach is still a Halo game regardless what the story is about. ODST is an expansion to Halo 3 but again I have no issue brining it up. Reach capitalised on sales the same 4 did and both went on to sell 10m each one after the other. Remasters and RTS games are not meant to outsell the core games, that's a given in most series.

I have given multiple reasons why Halo: Reach, ODST, Halo Wars, Spartan Assault, Spartan Strike, Halo Wars 2, Master Chief Collection and so on shouldn't be included as they aren't part of the two canonical trilogies, they all sit outside of them.

I suggest you go back and re-read my posts as my answers haven't changed on this front.

Azzanation said:

The point is Halo is a huge juggernaut of an IP worth billions and is up there with some of the biggest games in the industry. Reach is included into this debate because its a serious Halo game that was built from the ground up with its own identity which offered a traditional Halo campaign and Multiplayer mode. Not a RTS or Mobile Halo game.. its meant to be a traditional Halo game and that's what sells the franchise. 

Halo as a franchise is one of the biggest franchises in media in general, not just video games.

Reach doesn't get included unless you include every other title... And even with Reach's inclusion, the general sales decline from the height of Halo 3 doesn't actually change... Did you not see the pretty graphics graph I made?

Azzanation said:

The graph you linked shows the typical up and down pattern which majority of franchises have. I don't see a decline in the sense you are seeing. I see that Halo 5 is its downer this gen and based off the record the next big Halo game is set to raise the needle. Same way ODST was the downer and Reach was the Upper etc. Reach and 4 outsold Halo 1 and 2. That's not bad at all considering those games came out after Halo 3.

There are heights in the graph, but each height is smaller than the last. - That is a decline.

I don't think I can represent it any better than a graphical graph for you to understand at this point, so if you are unable to understand it, we should probably move on.

Also... Yes, Reach outsold Halo 1 and 2.... But you strongly used the argument that the Xbox 360 had more hardware on the market than the Xbox One, hence Halo 5's lower sales... I assume that same argument of yours is no longer applicable now that we are talking about the Original Xbox and Halo 1/2? ;)

Azzanation said:

In all fairness too, as the graph grows, so does Digital sales which I wouldn't think have included Digital sales. Halo 5 could be sitting on around 6m to 7m which is similar to Halo 1 and close to Halo 2.

And ultimately still changes nothing.



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