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Azzanation said:

Reach is a high budget FPS Halo game marketed towards the Halo audience. Not being a sequel should not matter in this debate.

It does matter. - Bungie made two Spin-offs, ODST and Reach as they were 'done' with the original trilogy. - Microsoft then set 343i to make the next trilogy. - Any games outside of those trilogies are "spin-offs".

Plus Halo: Reach is based upon one of the franchises spin-off novels.

It's a Spin-off.

The fact that Reach is a prequel only further reinforces my argument that it sits outside of the original trilogy story arcs, thus making it a spin-off.

Azzanation said:

Halo Wars is a series that isn't marketed towards the Halo audience and is a completely different game. 

Halo Wars is marketed towards the Halo audience. - It even has Halo in it's name... Can't make this stuff up.

Azzanation said:

If you would like to include Halo 3 ODST that would only favour my debate.

^ Halo 3 - 14m

v Halo ODST - 6m

^ Halo Reach - 10m

^ Halo 4 - 10m

v Halo 5 - 5m

That graph shows that Halo dipped with ODST but its decline only lasted until reach came out and 4 afterwards that brought the franchise back up to 10m. Halo 5 is ODST this gen and we will wait and see weather Infinite picks the franchise back up. 

Doesn't look like we will agree on this and I will disagree not including Reach in the convo. Its not out of disrespect but I feel that game shouldn't be brushed aside like you are doing.

Adding ODST doesn't really favour you at all... It only just further reinforces the shifting of the goal post.

Here is a chart of Halo games and their rate of sales in order of game releases... As we see from the peak of Halo 3, there is mathematically, which is represented graphically... A decline in the series... We have some highs, some lows, but overall the trend is lower sales.

Whether you agree or disagree is entirely redundant anyway, it's represented here:


I am also not brushing Reach aside, I already stated it is the best selling spin-off title in the franchise, which is actually a damn good achievement.
That doesn't mean Infinite can't match or exceed Halo 3's sales though, that game needs to be judged on it's own merits... It will be interesting either way, I feel Halo as a brand just doesn't have the same industry-wide excitement it once had... But then again, neither does Call of Duty and that does well every year.

crissindahouse said:

Reach is a direct prequel. It misses Master Chief but so do other games/movies also miss main characters and aren't spin-offs. Star Wars is an example.

No idea why that number is so important for you. Halo team was split to work on a spin-off and one mainline game. ODST was the spin-off, Reach was the mainline game. And Azzanation and I aren't the only Halo players who think so.

All 6 games in the two trilogies all include Master Chief.

I am also a Halo gamer, I own every single game release on every single platform those games ever released on, not sure how that statement of yours bring any relevancy or legitimacy to your arguments with this discussion, either way...



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