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EricHiggin said:
Pemalite said:

nVidia isn't phasing out all of it's older Turing cards. - nVidia has just moved the performance line up a fairly heft notch in it's product stack.

End of the day... Navi should slot in under Vega 7 anyway which will remain as AMD's flagship part... We might even get another Vega part with the full compliment of CU's too, but unlikely.

I was hearing that some of the 2000 series were being phased out, other than the higher models like the 2080 ti. I could see them keeping the 2060, but with the performance of the Super models almost all moving up a model in the stack, I don't really see the point in keeping the 2070 or 2080, especially if a Super 2080 is on it's way. The holiday would be the perfect time for that card, especially if AMD drops something competitive against the 2080.

Aren't Navi 10,12, and 20/21 confirmed basically? AMD said Vega and GCN would remain for compute but that RDNA was for gaming, and they've also been talking about having more models for sale and stretching out launches for their product lines to keep people constantly focused on their brands and what's new. I wouldn't be surprised to see a 5600 model between now and the holidays, and a 5800 model for the holidays. Save the 5900 model for the new year sometime?

The 2070 and 2080 get phased out, but we are keeping the 2060 and 2060 S.

Yeah. Those Navi chips are confirmed... Polaris is staying around for the immediate future and being phased out.

haxxiy said:

So, Navi is between 55 - 85% more power efficient in gaming than the Polaris and Vega 14 nm cards, and more or less matches the Turing cards. That's about the same position AMD was back in 2016, with Polaris compared to their 28 nm GCN cards and Nvidia's Maxwell ones.

The silver lining is, unless the RDNA architecture offered no IPC gains whatsoever, AMD's difference to Nvidia on 7nm should diminish compared to where it was with 14 - 16 nm (Pascal was a whopping 60 - 65% more power efficient than Polaris at launch) because the newer node doesn't seem to decrease power consumption as much as the previous shrink did. That is, assuming Nvidia's first 7nm cards are mostly a shrink of their Turing architecture, which seems probable, given Nvidia, like Intel, doesn't seem to release new architectures with node shrinks.

On the other hand - impressed with the Zen 2 chips. It's the first time in many years AMD competes and even surpasses Intel, matching core to core, clock to clock. However, Intel still seems to have a distinct gaming advantage. I would say the reason being developers favor Intel tools and instructions more than it is the fault of single-core performance at this point.

From a pure gaming performance perspective... The 5700XT is about 75% faster than the RX 580 at 1440P which seems the resolution it's best suited for.

In things like Integer, Geometry, Floating Point Texture Fillrate.. We are looking at a doubling or more over Polaris which is impressive.

The 5700XT does use about 15% more power at idle than the RX 580 though... And about 20% more at load and thus does use more power than Turing...

But at the end of the day the 5700XT isn't able to decisively beat a Geforce RTX 2070 though, so it's certainly targeting the mid-range.

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