Official 2020 US Election: Democratic Party Discussion

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Jumpin said:

Snoopy said:

We shall see, also that would include Illegal immigrants because they are considered Americans as well by the Democrats. 

I don’t think that's accurate. The Democratic politicians said this included undocumented immigrants, but not illegal immigrants (as in those who are in the US for the purpose of criminal activity).

Additionally, the US declaration of Independence - which states the US revolutionary plan (All people equal, the right to overthrow governments who stand in the way of equality and people’s rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness). 

It would be inconsistent with the US experiment to block people’s right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness based on simple documentation status. To place the status of “illegal” on the basis of documentation seems opposed to the US revolutionary spirit and the core value of that nation.

And I quote: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it.”

But, of course, the people on the left in the US have less of the revolutionary spirit than their founding fathers.

It makes me wonder: The first step was independence from the Empire. The second was the abolition of slavery. The third step was universal suffrage and the civil rights movement. The next phase of that US experiment is currently in progress, the next big conflict between the right-wing against those on the right side of history.

I rambled on, it’s late, almost morning (we don’t sleep here). I wish you people of the US good luck in your revolutionary experiment. This election will hopefully put things back on track.

Every nation has, and should have, borders, that they enforce - Even the free and equal United States. Why should we in the US exclusively be exempt from this? If you don't have some sort of boundaries, well.. you won't have a United States much longer, and then what's the point? 

I'm all for an easier path to legal citizenship, but illegal crossings are, well, illegal.. I'd love to let everybody in (who isn't a criminal) who would be a possitive influence to society that want to escape a shittier life for a chance at prosperity here, but it's like they said on South Park - if we let everyone in who wants to come in, we'll eventually end up being shitty too. You just cannot have a sustainable country with a billion residents without the vast marjotiry (legal AND illegal) living in extreme poverty), at least I don't see it. We already have millions struggling to make a living wage here. Is it really a good idea to add 10s of millions more? At what point does the fabric of the country become torn apart completely? 

And I'm so done with that "right side of history," that cringeworthy phrase. It just sounds a little creepily cultish and authoritarian to me. Take it from a guy who have studied history thoroughly and has graduated university w/a history degree. Many people who are 100% convinced they were on the "right side of history" end up being very, very much on the WRONG side of it. The "right side of history" is always "to be determined", and usually pretty subjective.

At least from where I sit, I'm seeing the left wing in our country become insanely Authoritarian, intolerant, and pro-censorship. That isn't the right side of history from my lens.