| Pemalite said: Nope. It can't be used as a measurement because it's a theoretical number and not a real-world performance number. It can be a tool to compare capability measurement on doing compte workload and comparison between similar architecture. Let say RTX 2080 and 2070. You might be a little bit confused. The possibility of using 7nm+ is still there especially when Sony/Microsoft can let others fabrication manufacturer produce PS5/Scarlet chip because AMD are not producing chip they are just designing chip. Also the problem is not on Sony/ Microsoft money, because they have the money. They can either choose TSMC or Samsung differ from AMD own GPU lineup for PC, just like how PS4 pro using 16 nm fabrication while Polaris RX 480 using 14 nm. Also Samsung already made statement they can already produce 7nm+ for mass produce. Some smartphones already use it for their parts. So 7nm+ is still be in the realm of possibility If it's faster than the 1080, then it means it's likely slower than the 1080Ti or roughly in the same ballpark, which will be 4+ years old by the time next gen hardware launches. I know It slower than 1080 ti but Gonzalo benchmark slightly the same performance with RTX 2070 or RX 5700 xt, it's always be the targeting spec for PS5/scarlet and it's enough for console. Even 1080 ti performance can be achieve by GTX 1080 using optimization if there is a game specified made for GTX 1080 . The problem is PC always need more raw power to run games because PC is struggling on optimization (most PC games demo and trailer using 1080 Ti to avoid bug and trouble). Also PS4 are using a slower modified 7870 ( less 2 CU and less GPU clock speed) and better than 7850. Console having mainstream is what people expect , no one will pay for expensive console and expensive GPU also because console is small, less power consumption and have less generated heat and sound DB. Normal people just want to have small box that for gaming only. Also RTX 3060 and 3050 will be the standard , developer will targeted games at that performance. As long it can run the games then there is no problem having mid gen gpu inside console. Console is more of power to price ratio for "gaming only" No way is it going to be in the same league as the Geforce RTX 2080. - Geforce RTX 2070 is the best you could hope for. Please read again, I said "The bottom Line " I am agree with u PS5 will just be comparable to RTX 3060/RTX 2070 or close enough. I am a realist but at the same time I also a dreamer. Everybody can have a dream right? Because we also don't know what is the final price of PS5/ Scarlet, if they want they can just increase the price to have better GPU and larger die size , even though it will sacrifice TDD/TBP , price and size. Ray Tracing was always one of those technologies that was going to "creep" it's way in gradually over time... Games started dabbling in Ray Tracing even back in the 7th gen... And I wouldn't be surprised (I haven't looked it up specifically yet!) the 6th gen with some deferred renderers. Ray tracing is the holy grail of every 3D games developer, it's very expensive technique that require expensive hardware, that's why it could be a selling point at least for gamers. I know it will creeple performance especially for console , but developer can just use it as marketing tool and hyping the console. Probably even on PS5/Scarlet we will not see many games using RT , probably some first party ip or low RT on some triple A games. It will just be a combination of Rt and Resteraser If backwards compatibility alone is what ensures that the successive console is to outsell the previous... I am not saying backward compatibility " alone can achieve that" but it's enough to sell PS5 , because there are so many factor that make all the console you mentioned are failed on the market at least not achieving their target, even though they have backward compatibility. PS brand and names after PS4 success in the other hand already has names, credibility, backward compatibility and brand bigger than Xbox even in US alone (not even counting across the globe). If PS5 are not repeating the same problem like PS3 did (expensive but no power advantage over it's competitor that can be seen on normal people , late to the market, bad controler ) than PS5 will sell like hot cakes to every PS4 owner. Indeed it's minority but on first year or early year, all PS4 owner will go and adopt easily PS5 because they have a lot of backlog and games that can be replay with enhanced option on PS5. PS3 /Xbox 360 transition on it's early year are different because PS4 and early Xbox One hardware were not able to run old games. If Xbox One has these feature on it's early day, then it would be a different stories. |
